• Naich@kbin.social
    724·
    10 months ago

    Yes, a complete barbarian. We have them too, but we aspire to be better than just being equally barbaric in return. That’s why civilisations do justice, not revenge.

      • Lamps@lemm.ee
        421·
        10 months ago

        Chances are, an innocent person has been killed because of the death penalty. That alone has me against it entirely.

          • Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            291·
            10 months ago

            How many innocent people are you ok with murdering before it’s no longer worth it?

              • Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                8·
                10 months ago

                I am ok with every guilty killer not being executed if it means saving a single innocent person. Note that I did not say that I am ok with them being released.

                I ask again, how many innocent people are you ok with murdering before it’s no longer worth it?

                  • starman2112
                    41·
                    10 months ago

                    Given that we live in real life, and nothing is perfect, you would rather see some innocent people be executed. The only other alternative is being against the death penalty. If you’re for the death penalty, then you’re for some innocent people being executed.

                  • Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                    31·
                    10 months ago

                    Ok, but whats the number of innocent lives you’rewilling to end? Or maybe percentage? Where do you draw the line?

          • drcobaltjedi@programming.dev
            261·
            10 months ago

            Apt username.

            “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer” - William Blackstone.

            Buddy are you so deprived of empathy that you have no problem with sending innocent people to their deaths? Are you okay with cops playing judge, jury, and executioner? Lot of innocent people die from cops deciding that its okay if that guy is dead.

                  • drcobaltjedi@programming.dev
                    6·
                    10 months ago

                    Hey buddy. Lets roll it back. I’ll fully agree that this person is an asshole. Okay? No one is disputing this.

                    However the point I really want to get to is when someone pointed out that many times innocent people are given the death sentence for crimes they didnt commit. Your response was and i fucking quote you “That’s a chance we are just going to have to take.” That means you thibk it is okay to kill innocent people just because some other people did horrid shit.

                    So again, why the fuck are you actually okay with killing innocent people? That is what i want to know. You keep dodging around it. Answer the question “Why do you think it is okay for the state to have the power to kill people who have commited no crimes?”

          • pugsnroses77
            16·
            10 months ago

            what if it happens to you or your family? then is it still worth it?

          • winterayars
            12·
            10 months ago

            I don’t see any “have to” in here at all. To me, that just looks like a desire to have the state murder people. That’s not justice.

              • starman2112
                21·
                10 months ago

                Who’s moving goalposts now? A decision being “justified” doesn’t mean it’s “a chance we have to take.”

                  • starman2112
                    4·
                    10 months ago

                    That’s fucking rich. Your entire point is that killing guilty people is somehow justice. How is that not based in emotion?

                    Here’s a coherent argument that isn’t based in emotion: the death penalty does not improve society in any way when applied to a guilty person, and when it does lead to the death of an innocent person, it both reduces the likelihood of the real perpetrator ever seeing justice, and prevents the innocent party from ever being released.

          • starman2112
            31·
            10 months ago

            We don’t have to, though. We can just put them in prison.

      • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.idEnglish
        21·
        10 months ago

        The problem is that if you get it wrong even once --and we know for a fact, through things like The Innocence Project, that many innocent people have been executed-- then it’s the state committing murder in our name.

        Morally I’m not OK with that. Are you?

        I’d rather err on the side of caution.

        Again, we only have to get it wrong once, which we know we have done, and it’s basically the state murdering an innocent citizen.

        How many innocent citizens are you OK with murdering?