• WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Fair enough. I do this for a living, which means that I’m paid to study trends of radicalization through various demographics across North and Central America. I specialize in youth culture trends as it relates to political identification.

    I’m not going to expose my identity here, but, what I am telling you is that you are wrong about this.

    I think we can be on the same side, I think we probably want the same thing, but your diagnosis and feelings about how “youth culture,” specifically “Gen Z” feels politically is riven between extreme radical actors that are willing to commit violence and those that just want a better world.

    I want a better world too. But there is no countervailing force to the rise of violent extremism on the right, especially among young men. And pro-government sentiment within the Gen Z and Gen A cohort doesn’t change that. If you were looking at the data I see, you would be upset too. It’s mostly “progressives” and “leftists” that use those words and do very little with it, and a well-armed reactionary force that are being recruited by large, organized, right-wing organizations.

    It’s just a lot of extremely violent organizations that are successfully recruiting from M, G, and Z. It’s a bummer, but it is what it is. My duty is just to report the data.

    Edit: we do, in fact, report our data. And the thing that upsets me most is just how splintered the youth cohorts are about this information. We get the literal version of a downvote from the young people we show this data to. We regularly give presentations at college campuses across the United States and Canada, and the general sentiment is “nuh uh, look at my phone, see how radical we are?”

    It is EXTREMELY upsetting. That’s the ballgame, really. Wrap it up and head home. No one believes things are as bad as they are because they can pull a community together and have it fed directly to them 24/7 that tells them that’s not the case.

    What difference does raw data make? Especially when it disagrees with what we call “ambivalent cultural sentiment and belief.” When that’s the category, cohorts Z and A almost always revert to a belief system built on digital community instead of their physical community, and those tend to be built around what they already believe, and it just serves to reinforce structures of feeling that are not in alignment with the physical conditions and states of the physical community around them.

    It’s absolutely and unabashedly terrifying to me.

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      8 months ago

      So far, you’ve creeped a few of my comments and extrapolated incorrect conclusions from a tiny amount of data, and haven’t provided any numbers. Even if you are telling the truth, the fact that you felt confident enough to say the majority of my comments are about Starfield and coffee when they’re the vast minority, means your data and the conclusions you draw are also highly questionable.

      You’ll have to forgive me if I call bullshit.

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        8 months ago

        I forgive you. 😊

        If you’re creeped out by people looking at the publicly available data you freely release every day, do it less.

        Another belief of M, Z and A: it is ok for corporations and businesses to access all their data and run analytics on it, but they find it upsetting when someone reminds them of the data they give away.

        “OMG, you scrolled twice on my comments? So creepy.”

        I scrolled twice on your comments after the Wikipedia link. The majority of the posts were about videogames.

        That’s cool, I like video games too, but you can literally look at 20 comments back from your Wikipedia comment and see that I’m right, so idk what to tell you.

        Majority means more than half, you know?

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          See, this is the exact bullshit I’m talking about.

          1. The video gaming comments are from today. The vast majority of my comments are not about gaming. You extrapolated from one day’s worth of data and figured it sound enough to claim the majority of my comments are about gaming, which if you were at all qualified to analyze data you’d know is obviously stupid.

          2. I am not, in fact, okay with corporations harvesting my data, which is why I try to avoid proprietary software wherever I can. You individually scrolling and then making a judgement call based on comment history is equally creepy.

          So yea, I don’t know what to tell you. All you’ve done is display a total lack of knowledge of statistical analysis and creep my comments, neither of which accomplished anything valuable.

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            8 months ago

            Lemmy isn’t like Reddit, so you can actually see who downvotes. I’m getting a kick out of watching how much time you’re spending going through my comment history and downvoting everything! Lol

            I’ve gotta crash out, it’s been a long day. Enjoy! 🤣