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    9 months ago

    Agnostic atheist: Doesn’t believe in any gods, claims the existence or nonexistence of gods is fundamentally unknowable

    Gnostic atheist: Doesn’t believe in any gods, claims to know no gods exist

    Agnostic theist: Believes in god(s), claims the existence or nonexistence of gods is fundamentally unknowable

    Gnostic theist: Believes in god(s), claims to know that those god(s) exist

    I think all four types of people exist in decent numbers, but personally I, as an agnostic atheist, think either version of agnosticism is the only logically sound position. Gnosticism just feels disingenuous to me. Unfortunately I get the feeling that Christianity in the US is slipping further and further towards gnostic theism, and with that comes very dogmatic and oppressive rhetoric and actions.

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      9 months ago

      As an atheist who would fully accept the existence of a deity if any form of rigorous proof was provided, these boxes are dumb.

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        Not really dumb and not really so different from how you describe yourself.

        I identify as an agnostic atheist. I don’t think it is possible to prove a deity exists, but I’m fully open to the prospect of being wrong and as with anything else in science, should new evidence/data somehow come along and prove that there is some kind of deity/creator/what have you, I would look at it and potentially change my mind.

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          I don’t think it is possible to prove a deity exists, but I’m fully open to the prospect of being wrong.

          Sounds like straight up atheism to me…

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            9 months ago

            It’s agnostic atheism. I don’t believe one exists, but I also admit I don’t know for sure.

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              If there is a range of theories about the world say 1 billion different statements and 10 had a very good chance of being true, 100 a reasonable chance and 999,999,890 had a mathematically insignificant of being true say the same probability as my butt-hole being the living embodiment of the universe’s creator, Santa being real, or the Easter bunny being the representative of Satan on earth it would be awfully silly if we talked about a tiny segment of those 999,999,890 as if they might be real only because they are particularly popular.

              I don’t describe myself as agnostic towards divine buttholism or Santa I say reasonably that they aren’t true because that is how we describe things without meaningful probability of being true. Similarly there is no reasonable probability in my understanding of the universe having a creator so I confidently describe myself as an atheist.

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              9 months ago

              It’s just a bit of a pointless distinction. No atheist could claim they know for sure.

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      Gnostic atheism is only unsound if you insist we make absolute statements like 2 != 1 instead of speaking in absolutes as shorthand for probabilities that tend towards insignificance which is literally how people think and communicate outside of math. Attempts to approach philosophy like math are generally nonsense because our understand is far too underdeveloped for that to be anything but cargo cult antics.