I strongly suspect Discovery was written and acted by people who have never seen actual shit or suffered trauma.
If they had, perhaps they would realise that people who’ve been through a lot are often the (seemingly) calmest or least emotional person in the room when shit hits the fan. It isn’t their first rodeo. Or they’re bitter and angry arseholes. Basically Jean Luc Picard or Liam Shaw are far more realistic portrayals of people who have gone through shit.
ADHD helps.
“I have experienced this moment 44 times in my head.”
“Oh this argument? I was up late three nights in a row running through every possible iteration.”
"Dude! Why were you so calm last night? That was a huge fire and you just sort of calmly grabbed your drink and bag and walked out the door. I saw it!
“I have experienced that moment more times than you can possibly imagine.”
Written by, sure. But I distinctly remember that the characters cried regularly in that show after trauma.
That is what annoys me the most with disco trek.
These people are supposed to be trained professionals, serving in a military hierarchy and should, before they even graduate, be accustomed to the proper decorum and on duty-appropriate behavior for an officer.
If they are constantly involved in personal drama and unrelated problems it just feels like watching a therapy session in space. It’s probably exacerbated by the modern season length of a dozen episodes at best, but in the older trek they struck a much more palatable balance of personal issue / character episodes and more plot centric stories.
I think it’s no surprise that each Trek, through its own lens, shows us some vision of a possible future. ST:D just showed us a future where living life means dealing with the whole mind and not treating it like a taboo. Considering all the recent buzz about not neglecting mental health, I think ST:D was really relevant in its time for exploring what could be different in a better future. It’s not a documentary, it’s a vision.
Doesn’t help your case that you keep (almost) calling the show STD, though 😛
Especially because it’s not a naming convention used for any other show: we don’t call Voyager ST:V, or Prodigy ST:P. The logical abbreviation is either DIS or DSC
I keep rooting for DISCO. One, because it’s on their exercise uniform, and two, because disco’s not dead, baby!
I call it DSC because it fits the three letter patter and I think it looks nicer in print than DIS, but if I didn’t I’d definitely call it Disco.
Disco is NOT dead! Disco is LIFE!
it just feels like watching a therapy session in space.
TNG had the ship’s therapist literally sitting next to the captain.
Which apparently did wonders keeping the bridge crew emotionally stable in comparison
I’ll be honest, the constant crying and sharing of emotions kinda takes me out of the action. It feels like some of the hyper-emotional scenes are in the wrong place at the wrong time and in the wrong measure. If these scenes were toned down from hyper-emotional to emotional and put in more appropriate places in their episodes, DSC would be a lot better for it.
I don’t want to sound like I’m hating on DSC. I think the show has some good bones and interesting concepts, but it’s a bit rough like a lot of series are in places (TNG s1…I’m looking at you). Really, if they had true 22-24 episode seasons and just the one series, we’d have LD and SNW-esque stories for DSC, and it wouldn’t feel like the red-headed step child series.
At least S1-3 had Michelle Yeoh for when you needed some asses to be kicked.
I’m on S4 now and honestly struggling to finish it. There’s nobody there I like. Everyone is just so fucking weepy all the time.
I just finished watching Succession (which I highly recommend), and I think you see somebody cry like three times across the whole show. When it happens it means something. In Discovery it’s like 3 times per episode. It’s exhausting. I don’t know who it’s even written for. I can only imagine this is what 60 year old studio executives think gen Z wants to watch.
Can we just take this to its natural conclusion and have the entitled hippy arts majors come up with their interpretation of ww1 trench warfare? I took a lot of theater in school for fun (not allowed to double major) and saw all kinds of dumb takes but nothing on this level, I have no idea what bubble they’re finding these writers in.
The lead writer/producer for Discovery is also the same writer/producer of the last half of Voyager and parts of DS9. I swear, Paramount is the biggest reason you dislike so much of Discovery, not the actors/writers/producers.
Can’t say it’s good to know: the owner of the IP has an agenda to fuck up said IP.
They just cried a whole lotta times
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Sisko seems like the type of guy that you invite to a party and he spends the whole evening in your kitchen because the marinara that came with your mozzarella sticks “doesn’t have enough kick to it”
Sisko can and should show up on SNW to help Pike get his jambalaya recipe just right, then vanish without any explanation other than that he needs to get back to his children and wife.
Sisko insists it’s important to the future, but really he just can’t personally accept the existence of sub-standard jambalaya at any point in history.
Nor should he.
I suddenly have new aspirations, thank you!
Kick should be in italics, then I could hear him saying that.
People are always getting Kirk and Picard backwards.
smdh
While that post is technically correct, they’re only bringing up stuff from their youths. Picard mellowed out a hell of a lot as he got older and is an extremely calm and diplomatic individual by the time he takes command of the Enterprise. Kirk cheating on the Kobayashi Maru was his first step in realizing that he could get away with almost anything if the results were good enough. These experiences do help them a lot later on, though; Picard’s reckless and rebellious phase means that later on he was extremely good at keeping his cool in dangerous situations and assessing risk, while Kirk’s intelligence and knowledge is why he’s able to make his zany plan work even though he only came up with it five seconds ago.
Picard is like if Indiana Jones was injured and had to stick to just teaching.
Kirk is like if Velma Dinkley started solving mysteries by punching out the monster the first time they met.
Neither is right. Kirk is Richard Feynman - huge dork, bends the rules, still has the pull of a neutron star. Picard is James May - precise, technical, obsessive, and constantly surprising people who expect he’s boring.
How can you forget Christopher “beep-beep” Pike?
Or Carol Freeman?
Edit: it’s a lot like Voyager’s review, isn’t it?
Review: “Ran by a former male supermodel, doesnt know how to use the replicator and cooks all his food. Sometimes stops speaking in the middle of a sentence and starts beeping.”
They didn’t have replicators by his time. I remember the TOS Enterprise had lots of pre-cooked meals on cargo, and preferring fresh stuff is perfectly reasonable.
People complaining that replicated food doesn’t taste right is even a bit of a running gag on TNG and DS9.
Review: “Didn’t say much, was not very encouraging. Would only answer questions with a yes or no.”
Review so cold it could have been written by an andorian.
“a murder” implies only one
Not if it’s in regards to crows.
Who besides Tuvix? Not fair to count Lon Suder’s crimes.
Suspiciously the bodycams were off but i’ve heard the voyager crew was originally twice as large until she ran out of coffee the first time.
She likes her coffee the way she likes her men.
Ground up and steeped in hot water?
Covered in bees.
She did murder the wife of her holographic boyfriend.
Damn! Today I learned…
Can we talk about the kids that Janeway had with Paris, that they just abandoned on some distant planet?
Say what now? Have I purged this episode from my mind?
Dna altering future reptiles
Ohh yes that does ring a bell
2x15 “Threshold”
Oh man discovery. It always seemed like it was written by that guy who was crying and screaming for people to leave Brittney alone.
That was a guy?
Huh…wasn’t it?!
The eyeliner was flowing.
… Or was it guyliner?
I uh, looked it up, and I see why there was confusion. She’s Trans
Is she really?
I actually didn’t know. The difference seemed trivial to me, and it still does. It really doesn’t change their message or anything.
It never bothered me at all, nevermind bothering me enough to dig into information about them to figure it out; regardless, that’s a nice thing to know in the situation.
I hope she’s doing well.
I mean, usually when theres two names in wikipedia its because they transitioned from one to the other, to me she looks like her identified gender, but I guess I can see why others didnt. I just double checked with a quick google search, it wasnt an intense investigation
I can see why people cared. That’s just not me.
I don’t really think people’s curiosity is just cause to violate her privacy. It’s entirely up to her to decide to share that information or not.
I don’t understand people’s fascination with it. I’m fairly indifferent about people’s genders or sexual preferences in general. You make the choice that suits you best, I’ll do the same for me. If you want to be called he/she/they/whatever, then fine, that’s cool. I’ll do my best to respect your wish to be referred to by a particular title/pronoun. It makes no difference to me.
I’m also pretty indifferent about how people refer to me. Call me sir, miss, he, she, they, them, “hey you”… I don’t honestly care. I’m fine with gender normative terms and that’s what I tell people that I “prefer” but honestly, I could not care any less. I usually avoid gendered terms as much as I can when I’m in someone’s presence; I’m also bad with names, so I usually just use personal direct pronouns such as “you”. I try my best to side step the whole issue because it’s trivial in my mind. I won’t fault someone for caring about it, the same way I don’t care if someone gets my name wrong, or says it differently. I don’t care enough to correct them, and I don’t care that it’s wrong unless they need to enter my legal name into a thing for something, which is when it actually matters, legally, so I’ll correct them at that point. The only other correction I’ll make is to avoid confusion with coworkers. I work with some people who have similar sounding names to mine, so I’ll correct clients and co-workers so that I’m not conflated with them (and I don’t take flack for something they did, and they don’t take flack for something I’ve done, etc). Beyond that, I couldn’t care less. At the same time, people have gotten angry with me for pronouncing their name slightly wrong, so I know people are out there with very strong opinions on it.
Maybe I’m weird. Who knows. There’s just so many more important things in the world than what people call me that I’m just consistently unbothered by people getting it wrong.
Well still the attitude seems like a discovery writer…if I changed my position that would be bad right?
Sisko is the GOAT.
if Sharn had called Sisko black skin he would have punched him so hard that Weyoun would have felt it.
That basically sums it up.
Team Archer right here! ^^
Hey, a new planet. Maybe I can lick it?
Nothing about the fancy espresso bar #3 offers to all employees (all employees but her excepted)?
So while not loving Discovery, it’s not so much the crying that got me, I just always feel like I’m watching therapy…innnn spaaaace. It just isn’t very interesting to me personally. I still found it enjoyable enough though.
I could sort of deal with that. I just didn’t like how focused it was on Michael Burnham and how she is the most important person in the universe. Star Trek is supposed to be an ensemble show, and I would dare say that it shouldn’t really have a main character with the understanding that the captain gets more focus generally. It also felt like the writers didn’t really like Star Trek that much and there was a lot of stuff that didn’t make sense if you poked at it.
I’d strongly argue against that last part considering Brian Fuller wrote for DS9 and was producer and writer for most of Voyager. Kurzman is also writer and producer for Picard and SNW.
Bring back short skirts in sci-fi!
Well bring back everywhere really.
I relate to Janeway the most. Like no coffee? Please cease talking until coffee… …need coffee.
I mean you’re 70000 light-years from Earth, it’s ok to have some vices.
