• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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      9 months ago

      Even if the Dems control the House, they will do this again.

      The way it works is you sow enough chaos to invalidate the Electoral College count. If you pull that off, the President is chosen by the House.

      But the vote in the House isn’t one member, one vote… oh, no no no… it’s one STATE one vote.

      So California with all it’s 52 Representatives? 1 vote. New York? 1 vote.

      Since there are more red states than blue states, that would throw the election to the Republican.

      • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de
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        9 months ago

        Source?

        I’ve never heard one state one vote. If it was the senate, 2 votes 2 states would make sense, but the House of Representatives never runs on a per state basis that I know of (maybe ratifying the constitution I guess, but that’s not a House only process).

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            Jesus fucking Christ, our constitution is so flawed, it’s not even funny.

            What an antiquated, garbage document. It needs some thorough updating or we need to start from scratch.

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              It was designed to be specifically undemocratic in a couple of situations. The intent, of course, is that Congress could block populist or extremist candidates from the presidency. But that depends on the legislature not being composed of complete imbeciles.

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                We should think about it in the context of the US being the first modern democracy, and they had to fight off criticism from royalists that democracy would lead to mob rule by uneducated peasants.

                That, plus the fact that at least half the people involved in writing it wanted to make sure the institution of slavery was protected.

                It makes a lot more sense from those perspectives. Given that neither of these premises are true today, there’s a very good reason to question the validity of the whole thing.

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                  Except that if we started over and wrote the Constitution from scratch, we’d be the United States of Walmart.

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              Which CAN be done. It takes 34 states to call for a convwntion, and IIRC 27 or 28 already have… buuut… they’re red states.

              So if you want a Christo-Fascist constitution, you’re in luck!

              THEN it has to be RATIFIED by 38 states to take effect.

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              I don’t disagree with you in principle, but I also do not trust our elected officials anywhere to amend it at this point in history

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              It isn’t a flaw, it is by design. The constitution was designed to bring states together, not people. The things in it that give favor to states with larger populations were only put in to appease the states with larger populations. so it is only as much as was needed. Also, to ratify the constitution they voted… one vote per colony. Only needed 9 of 13.

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            Thanks, TIL, though it’s actually superseded by the 12th amendment as another commenter noted, but contains the same text.

            Looks like the Blue states could not show up to the vote and prevent a quorum, which should stop the vote:

            in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. [emphasis Wikipedia’s]

            So we could end up with a President Harris. If the Dems have the courage to stand up to an attempted highjack of electoral votes by the house.

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              That indicates that a quorum can be reached with just one member from each state. Every state has a derpy representative from cookoo-land.

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      There’s actually a path even if the Republicans lose the House. All they have to do is “contest” enough of the House elections for Mike Johnson to refuse to swear in the Democrats until it gets “all sorted out”… conveniently after the presidential certification.