• toasteecup@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    92
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Why is it that we can’t both acknowledge the Holocaust AND the Palestinian genocide?

    Being anti Zionism doesn’t have to me that you’re anti semitic.

    • Julian@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      10 months ago

      Any rational person does. Takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be against a genocide, then turn around and generalize a whole ethic/religius group.

    • Deceptichum
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      10 months ago

      We do, a tiny handful of nut jobs don’t.

      • Hyperreality@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        This isn’t my first rodeo when it comes to Israel-Gaza. I don’t think it’s as small a minority as you think it is. I think they or people reading may often not be aware they’re parroting anti-semitic tropes, often because they’re disguised in dog whistles. For example going on about how ‘’‘they’‘’ control all media. Not influence or media bias, but full control of all media. Or going on about how ‘cunning’ Zionists are. In any case, they’re very loud and far too often tolerated.

        The problem is that when people tolerate them or don’t tell them to fuck off, it allows supporters of Netenyahu’s government and the actual racial supremacists in his cabinet, to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic.

        It’s like inviting Gary Glitter to become the patron of a children’s charity. No matter how good the cause, people will never be able to fully trust you.

        • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          10 months ago

          I will be honest, I support Israel right to protect itself (but actions do need to be investigated since the conflict started) but never seen anyone from either side say that the other controls all media.

          I see a significant number of posts on lemmy that only tell one side (usually on the side of Palestine but not all), and a number that try to put out facts and tell both sides for the reader to be informed being critised every way you can - but I don’t think either controlls the media.

          I’ve said this many times - a good reporters job is to report. Not to sway opinion, not to paint one in a good light and turn opinion against the other. Get the facts out as known, show the sources of information, provide insight based on fact.

    • pimento64@sopuli.xyzOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      10 months ago

      Wow clearly you’re just a radical centrist who’s bothsidesing genocide! Reported, bigot.

  • mashbooq@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    25
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    10 months ago

    This is a problem I keep running into when advocating for Palestine: I try to amplify relevant voices only to find them using their platform to spread delusional conspiracy theories against the Jewish people (or, increasingly, against Ukraine). It doesn’t change the horrors being committed against Palestine, but it does make it hard to find someone I’d want to be in power to make changes.

    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      10 months ago

      Don’t worry, the opposite side has similar issues where calling for accuracy in reporting, open discussion and analysis of what (both sides) are doing and have done is just met with zoinist or Semitic (been called both) or justification for war crime, or other completely uneducated input and bias.

      Keep advocating for what you believe in, use facts and quality sources, hold everyone to quality, accuracy and accountability.

    • Maalus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      10 months ago

      Yes, it’s a town. Auschwitz is German for Oświęcim, which is a town where the barracks were repurposed for the death camp. They then built a second one, Auschwitz - Birkenau, 3km from Brzezinka (Birkenau). That one was purpose built instead of repurposed.

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      10 months ago

      Nearly if not every concentration camp and death camp was named after a town or city it was built in. These weren’t hidden off in forests somewhere, they were built in locations with people able to staff and support them. This is part of how we know there’s no way any reasonably informed citizens didn’t know the holocaust was happening.