Former President Donald Trump's solution to end the Ukraine war involves completely cutting defense funds, according to Hungarian leader Viktor Orbán.
  • Trump “will not give a penny” more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary’s prime minister said.
  • That’s how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
  • The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.
    • RubberDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      1 year ago

      No he wasn’t. His comments are a self fulfilling prophecy. If an alliance that is strong because they are united under the US umbrella has the potential leader of said alliance state he no longer feels he needs to back his allies… they must.

      But:

      • The 2% is a guideline not a rule
      • They got to pay… who? The defence industry… it’s not a membership fee.
      • many countries where already investing more
      • spending more on defense is not simple, procurement takes yeeeaaars… so countries that started ramp up projects years ago are now in the position to actually spend more.
      • The only time NATO needed to openly wage war was in defence of the US. So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t.
        • gravitas_deficiencyEnglish
          152·
          1 year ago

          Good job entirely (and, I think, intentionally) misinterpreting the whole fuckin’ context of the situation.

            • gravitas_deficiencyEnglish
              101·
              1 year ago

              I just miss the era when the vast majority of Americans were on the same page regarding potentially dangerous geopolitical crap. Politics used to end at the water’s edge for the most part, but not anymore.

              • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.caEnglish
                7·
                1 year ago

                Everyone now just chooses a “side” and blindly defends it, no matter how wrong it is. There is zero room for nuance. It’s exhausting to talk to people like Wintermute who will ignore all evidence that is contrary to their opinions and will resort to bad faith arguments every single time. And then blindly accuse othet people of doing the same when called out.

                Politics have gone to hell and we’re all worse off for it.

                • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  Don’t you fucking “both sides” this shit. The GOP has gone to hell, Democrats are scrabbling for a handhold so we don’t all get dragged down with em.

                  • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.caEnglish
                    3·
                    1 year ago

                    I’m not blaming both sides here. I’m pointing out Wintermute’s behaviour, which is blindly defending their side despite all evidence that they’re wrong. I’m very, VERY well aware of how fucked the Republicans are and I’m not pretending the Democrats are remotely the same. My point is, an entire portion of the populace (that being the right wing) has shut themselves off to reality and nothing will change their mind.

            • gravitas_deficiencyEnglish
              131·
              1 year ago

              Ok, sure, let’s play your game.

              Let’s say Trump gets in, and the US fucks off from NATO. What then?

              Outline the ramifications for me. I have a pretty concrete idea of what the fallout would be, but I want you to tell me what you think would happen, in your own words.

                • gravitas_deficiencyEnglish
                  91·
                  1 year ago

                  You didn’t answer the question I posed.

                  You unilaterally disregarded one of the two core points I specified in the antecedent, and then pretended it was the same question. It’s not. You fundamentally altered the question by doing that.

        • RubberDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          Ah the “Fine, I’ll takey ball and go home” arguement.

          Referring to WW2 that was self preservation as much as anything else, and it is not like they got poorer from it. The US made bank after WW2.

          The US called upon NATO after September 9th and everyone came. So that also shows something, but I guess that does not count.

          And now the US is gearing up for their “inevitable” conflict with China. But for that they will need their allies too. So by showing your allies you are unreliable, countries might start making other choices. You know, self preservation.