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Those scooters aren’t sustainable. They’re generating a shit ton of litter and ewaste, in addition to needing charging constantly. And on a personal note, fuck all these idiots leaving them all over the fucking sidewalk.
The scooters are fine. It’s the rental business model that’s shitty.
And the idiots throwing them into the port’s water.
If they help to get people out of cars (including electric cars), I see them as a win. Orders of magnitude less impactful than cars.
I think that’s a big part of the problem with electrified bikes, scooters and the like. As long as they are used as an alternative to more polluting and less sustainable modes of transport, that can be a win. But if they’re used as alternatives to walking or unmotorised modes of transport, they’re doing more harm than good. And I’m afraid that’s the case more often than not.
Disclaimer: My comment is just a superficial note on the topic and does not represent a qualified in-depth summary.
Yes, indeed. They would be most useful in rural areas, where public transport is not sufficiently present and could therefore replace cars.
But those are the areas, which are not as profitable as cities. There, decent public transport options often exist, which is why they often replace walking and thereby increase emissions.
But that also depends on particular individual factors like the electrification of those public transport modes.
There is some reaearch on this, for example:
https://www.itf-oecd.org/are-e-scooters-good-or-bad-environment
There’s evidence they are being used as an alternative to more polluting modes: https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-280-million-electric-bikes-and-mopeds-are-cutting-demand-for-oil-far-more-than-electric-cars-213870
About the sidewalks, I guess it’s an infrastructure problem. They’re new so there’s no intended place for parking them yet. Brussels recently began turning some car parking places into scooter parking, it’s pretty nice!
leaving them all over the fucking sidewalk.
It’s why they’re also called scatter scooters in some places
From my understanding, they only go for so long after you pay, which is a flaw in the fee-system they’re based on.
I’ll be honest, if I pay to ride one of those scooters, I get 75% of the way to my destination, and then it just ceases to function until I pay again, I’m just gonna leave it where it stopped. There’s no way I’m dragging it along with me.
All valid points, other than needing charging. The amount of electricity they use per km is basically fuck all.
I would assume charging every day wears the batteries out, and those are awful for the environment
Thank you for using the best example of the worst vehicle
Nobody ever thanks the Aztec for anything, it’s used to this.
Cyber truck has taken the reins.
The Aztek had among the highest CSI (Customer Satisfaction Index) scores in its class, and won the appellation of “Most Appealing Entry Sport Utility Vehicle” in 2001 from J.D. Power and Associates, an independent consumer survey organization which noted: “The Aztek scores highest or second highest in every APEAL component measure except exterior styling.”
Found this on Wikipedia.
JD Power will give you any award you feel like paying for
J.D. Power is largely bullshit from what I’ve heard, but in this case it does track with what I heard from people who actually owned one. They may have been ugly but the people who had them liked them.
Lol you should ask someone who has owned one
Walter White liked it
That was to illustrate just how sad his life was
Cmon you’re just punching down with the Aztec lol
Well in all fairness everyone can agree that the Pontiac Aztek was the worst looking car ever made.
The Italians be like “tienimi la birra:”
Remember the Schumacher ads for this? Not even he could make this look cool.
Honestly I have always kinda liked how the Multipla looked. Yeah it was funky but it meant to be funky hell it was displayed at MOMA.
The Aztec was trying way too hard it was trying to be cool and outdoors. But all it was was a shity Subaru.
I dunno, the Nissan Juke is really trying to give it a run for its money.
Oh, I can def ride people sustainably, especially when looking perfect 10s. Would recommend.
But yes, this meme so very much!
I like taxes, but my moneys being used on car infrastructure & related expenses are what bothers me the most (my county doesn’t spend much ob war stuff).
Hey what did the Aztec do to deserve that? At least make it a Ram 1500, or something 😔
Do horses count as sustainable transit?
But I like my mobile couch :(
Thank you for being not you sustainable modes of transit
As a person living in a third world country, I’m very thankful to have a car and not have to live with the horrible joke of public transport we have… And also avoid tons of robbery.
Most of the people that drive feet-pushed motorized scooters are a danger, however, because of how conceited and selfish they are, as they are driving it ON THE WALKING PAVEMENT.
Yes, because it’s incredibly more dangerous for pedestrians to get hit by an E-Scooter than for an E-Scooter driver being hit by a car. /i
Nevertheless, of course no one should be an asshole in traffic, regardless of transportation mode.
How much does a train weigh per passenger?
How much emissions do cars cause per passenger and travelled distance?
Jesus.fucking christ! This has nothing to do with cars. I was asking about trains.
Flying fucking spaghetti monster! This is a post posted in the community “Fuck Cars” everything here has to do with cars! More specifically, this post criticises cars for their bad environmental impact, contrary to other modes of transportation illustrated in the post.
Why don’t you look it up yourself?
The problem with this community is that it has two sides. One that wants people oriented design and one that just wants to rant “fuck cars!” I understand how it came to be named what it is but it is unfortunate for the greater cause.
Concern trolling over the weight of trains is neither so we have at least three sides here
I wasn’t trolling. Just an honest question.
Depends on the train obviously, but a lot less than cars at anywhere close to capacity. Why do you ask? Just look at the Wikipedia page for whichever rolling stock you were thinking of.
Seems like there is room for improvement, but it seems to be a scary subject here.
I’m just genuinely confused what your point is. The weight of a passenger train per passenger is meaningless. I was vaguely curious that my local EMUs are 200-600kg depending on which capacity figure you use, but that information is of no use to me.
200kg/passenger is pretty amazing. That really surprise me. I would never have guessed that it would be that low.
Unpopular opinion: trains are not technically environmentally sustainable, but they are so much more efficient than cars & even buses that they might as well be.
Those are electrical trains, so it depends on the power source.
Soooo…electric cars good now?
Car dependency is always bad, m’kay, but environmentally speaking, and only in regard to the emissions, electric cars depends on the source.
However, even if it’s charged using electricity from a pure coal plant it’s still much more efficient than combustion engines in using the energy, so absolutely consider electric cars whenever you need a new car. The biggest consideration is still if you need a car at all. Busses and trains are still better than electric cars.
I drive electric and it’s 100% from wind energy. That is absolutely not an option for everyone. Personally I’d prefer public transport, but that is also not an option for everyone and not in my case. In my case, the EV is best option that enables my transport needs, so it’s as good as it gets. It also has the added benefit of being a whole lot of fun to drive. I’ll never go back to fossil fuel for that reason alone.
You absolutely need to try it out when you’re browsing for cars. I thought I’d be missing the roaring and brutal gear shifting, but I was convinced of the superiorty of driving electric before even leaving the parking lot of the car sales. It’s just a pleasure. But like I said, that’s just a benefit. The real reason why I chose to buy electric is the cost and ease. Yes, they cost more up front, but it’ll come back in savings before this car is done with, and I never have to stand holding a nozzle in the cold at a gas station and paying for that experience ever again.
Trains don’t have tires
Ground level train lines also segregate cities in the same way that ground level highways do.
Train lines are not as wide, dangerous, or consistently loud so I’d argue they are better than highways and less dividing so long as infrastructure is built and maintained to allow access to both sides at reasonable intervals.
I find bikes worst then cars, they make more noise in general as well
Is it the screaming when they get dragged under a hgv? It’s very annoying yes
Lol no way bicycles are worse than cars.
You must be referring to motorcycles? Because yes motorcycles are far more obnoxious
My bad ya I was talking about motorcycles
I see empty busses drive by my house every day and all the time, and wonder how sustainable it is.
Sure its great at peak hours and in big cytties but public transport is not the solution everywhere.
You’re probably at the edge of the bus line. There’s a usually very empty bus every 30 minutes just a block away from me. I took that bus a few times and realized that my neighborhood is the turn around for it. Most of the folk on it have gotten off by the time it loops through.
This situation of empty busses at houses makes sense too. Why would a bus be full at the edge of town? It needs passengers first and they won’t accumulate until the bus is near populated spots like downtown. And why would a city pay for empty busses when they could route them in better areas?
You don’t have to wonder, there’s a vast trove of freely accessible information out there these days.
They dedicated a lane for busses recently in my city. It’s in the middle of the road with no stops in the middle. The stops are only on the outsides of the road. This has done nothing but compress traffic from 3 lanes down to 2 and extended the waits at all traffic lights since an entire lane is now dedicated to empty, out of service busses that gets used for maybe 3 hours throughout the entire day.
It’s amazing…
Huh, that’s funny. The other day I was on a bus in a bus lane that had 2 useless lanes of cars in between the bus and the bus stops. This has done nothing except get in the way of the buses since the capacity of car lanes is insignificantly small. I don’t know why they don’t just get rid of the car lanes and dedicate all 3 lanes for buses to run smoothly.
It’s amazing…
Ahh yes, the busses that I see have maybe 3 people on em cause they are either so late people walk or take a cab. Stop trying to be mighty, your cause is dumb
You’re the person that suggested removing a bus lane to “reduce traffic”. And now you’re suggesting that because the buses suck we should make the buses even worse. Something about that cause seems a little… dumb.
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