We're allowing non-IRL loli/shota - Lemmy NSFW
lemmynsfw.com
When I opened this site 5 days ago, I could not have guessed that I would post such a post. But here we are. As you know, we did a poll on this topic here [https://lemmynsfw.com/post/26029]. Around 40% of people said to block, the rest said to not to. In such cases, we wanted to make the poll, even though it doesn’t matter. Right now, I’m still currently agreeing with @bobbiguy2122 [https://lemmynsfw.com/u/bobbiguy2122] here [https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/82152]. We are going to let community moderators handle the situation in within limits. So it’s going to be users choice to subscribe to that community or creating new one with his own rules. #### Why not completely block it If we are going to split, there is so many fractions as well. As someone who only likes women and plain porn, I don’t want to ban tentacle, futanari or gay stuff. Because even though they are kinky, they are also a pleasure. Being attracted to petite teens is just like these pleasures, and the vast majority actually like it. I think we should not ban this pleasure just because it is in a dangerous area. #### As a result First of all we will explicitly ban IRL loli images. Although we will allow non-IRL content under moderator control, tho we will control childish content independently of moderators too. We will make this distinction according to images that look and act like children. #### Defederation I see a lot of people are worried about this situation. But I don’t care. Because as you can see, beehaw, one of the largest instances, blocked the other 2 largest instances. This situation is inevitable in NSFW only instances like us. As a result, you must have one main account, where you can access all instances, and one NSFW account, where you can only access NSFW content. For example, I don’t plan to block any instances on this instance, except in extreme cases.

SEE SECOND EDIT DOWN BELOW

Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the “Loli” announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I’m taking it as a backtrack, but it’s still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven’t seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of “whoops bad English” like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

    • Inamin@kbin.social
      5·
      1 year ago

      I was pretty shocked by m/random. It’s not a nsfw magazine and yet it is full of porn from lemmynsfw.com. I’m not anti porn, but I was a bit shocked as I’m just flicking through kbin at home.

      • nude@kbin.socialOP
        9·
        1 year ago

        My problem isn’t with NSFW stuff being allowed on the fediverse. I think there is a place for it.

        I just want it to be a place where I don’t have to scroll past drawn pictures of naked kids.

        Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want. They aren’t going to be the place that the majority of people want to visit when it allows that shit though.

        The point of this thread is to highlight that the server in question likely isn’t the place most people who are looking for NSFW is looking for, and to find out if there are any other alternatives

      • Hanabie
        6·
        1 year ago

        You’re surprised that the internet is full of porn?

        • Otome-chan@kbin.social
          72·
          1 year ago

          it’s kinda funny the people most up in arms about loli/shota stuff are also the ones telling people to not “kinkshame”.

          • Killakomodo@kbin.social
            7·
            1 year ago

            OMFG this is why I hate the “you can’t kink shame bullshit” I have no fucking problem shaming pedos, necros and rapist, they deserve the utmost shame for the trash they are.

            • Otome-chan@kbin.social
              42·
              1 year ago

              1. loli/shota has nothing to do with pedos

              2. necro for fictional content is harmless, and rape is the most common kink among women; cnc is a thing.

              but thanks for proving my point. no one is defending pedos here.

              • Killakomodo@kbin.social
                4·
                1 year ago

                Yes, it does have to do with pedos, you are just unwilling to admit you are a pedo.

                also I am not proving your point, obviously I am just fine with “kink shaming” that is the reason you are mad at me right now.

                • Otome-chan@kbin.social
                  22·
                  1 year ago

                  I’m not even into loli stuff so lol. if I date a man is he a pedo? is that how you think?

                  • Killakomodo@kbin.social
                    3·
                    1 year ago

                    are you over 18? and is the man over 18? then that’s fine, no shit?

                    are we just asking dumb questions now?

            • Otome-chan@kbin.social
              22·
              1 year ago

              see this is why weebs do not take anti-loli people seriously. you accuse me of being a pedophile simply because I’m speaking the facts.

              I honestly have no intent on using kbin for nsfw, and the sort of content discussed isn’t my preference anyway. The nsfw content I look at involve 30 year old anime characters who are not loli/shota lol. you’re barking up the wrong tree with your moralizing.

              • gmtom@kbin.social
                5·
                1 year ago

                Stop talking about weebs like we’re all nonce that agree with you. Plenty of us are against child porn and are fully aware that loli explicitly refers to kids, as that is LITERALLY the fucking definition of the word and even in Japan lolicon is synonymous with pedo.

                Stop going to bat to defend pedophiles

      • Otome-chan@kbin.social
        5·
        1 year ago

        m/random provides unsorted/uncategorized posts. so basically just a mess of everything across the fediverse, along with stuff that people intentionally post in there.

          • Otome-chan@kbin.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            why would I have a problem with a fediverse site showing federated content? if I didn’t want to look at an unsorted/uncategorized collection of posts I’d simply ignore m/random.

            • Inamin@kbin.social
              5·
              1 year ago

              and ignore m/all? Even if I enable ‘hide adult content’, it still shows up because it is not flagged as adult content. what is the point of having nsfw flags if nsfw content is being posted in communities/magazines that are not nsfw communities? I like having a look through /all every now and then, it’s a nice way to find new communities. But when there are heaps of nsfw posts in it well you can see an issue can arise. I take it you don’t have kids? Like I said earlier, I have no issue with nsfw content. I just think it should not be something that appears without looking for it. To note: there is no age verification on any of these servers yet.

              If anything from across the fediverse can appear on the front page of an instance, that is going to open that instance to a certain level of risk. I mean, it’s been less than a week and we’re already discussing the possibility of CP appearing on kbin.social. Is @ernest ok with the prospect that depicted CP could be on his server?

              you might not have a problem with it, but others may.

              • Otome-chan@kbin.social
                2·
                1 year ago

                I agree that proper tagging and filtering should be in place. Personally my preference is to show all content, but to blur nsfw until hovering over it. proper tagging is a win for everyone.

                and yes, I think that having “all” as the default front page is an odd decision. I’m opposed to defederating, but I’m a big advocate for people controlling and curating their own experience and what they see. in that regard, I agree there should be good tools for filtering this stuff on the user-level.