This is another post that alerted me of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn’t realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don’t harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don’t like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren’t a lemmy.world user, then this doesn’t affect you at all.
I’m proud of our community here, and it’s their loss, not ours!
- updated the link
The translation is, “It wasn’t us don’t get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us.” I don’t really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they’re just saying that they don’t have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.
If we’ve learned anything from centralised platforms it’s that size doesn’t protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.
Lemmy world mods are a joke.
this sounds familiar.
and some of their admins (Im looking at you Antik)
Guess who just created a second account 👍
Would be nice if there was a Firefox extension or something to ‘merge accounts’ as a workaround. Make things a little easier in situations like this.
there is Lemmy handshake which syncs your communities on mobile, but welcome to db
Oh that’s pretty neat, haven’t seen it! Thanks for the tip
I did the same. Fuck that noise.
same.
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I’m not sure). One of the factors for sure.
So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it’s infuriating.
Trying to think of any place that didn’t/doesn’t default to them
Maybe boost? I’m not certain as I logged my first account on liftoff
The dev really needs to change that then.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
Agree, but easier said than done
I’m a programmer and it really is quite easy to implement lol
The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.
You’re overthinking it. Select a few of the popular ones and be done with it
Why are people joining .world to begin with?
Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.
Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)
In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
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Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
There’s kind of a tension here between Lemmy’s design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.
And instead they get the entire network no matter what instance they sign up for. Well, somewhat less than the entire network, apparently…
(I say this knowing full well how many think they’re “on the internet” even though they never leave Meta’s corporate web)
Because they actually just want to still be on reddit.
Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages
dubious privacy issues
They’re also federated with threads so I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I’m a fool for sticking around in there as long as I have.
What happened to the messages in their Discord?
What I heard was a bot to send in ip from certain instances
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the most similar instance to reddit, culture-wise.
Why would anyone want that? The whole point of being on Lemmy is to get away from Reddit
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Some people were forced away from Reddit and don’t subscribe to that idea (yet?) - maybe they will understand that after being here for some time, but I know when my reddit app stopped working I just wanted something to fill the void
People want lefty reddit circle-jerk, but don’t want to use the official app or mobile website.
If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.
so long as you’re regularly exporting your profile, moving instances isn’t a big deal anymore.
The whole point is most people want simplicity, not a chore.
convenience, freedom, price, safety. Choose 2
For most users, price and convenience. That’s been made very clear over and over again.
Sure, but eventually the lack of freedom and security drives them away when the service enshittifies thoroughly.
That’s what we like to think. Facebook, Google, kinda shows us most users are perfectly happy to continue taking abuse, though
Exporting what, now?
I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can’t really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It’s not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is “as long as it stays convenient and interesting.” There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I’m not to worried about .world’s popularity so long as they don’t do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.
If by open registration, you mean without approval, I strongly recommend you add an approval step, due to spam.
I’m aware of the risk, but so far the captcha seems to have prevented any mass sign-up, and none of the few other existing accounts so far have any activity. That said, since I have no intention to support a user base anymore, I probably should close it anyway.
I mean, depending on your costs, running your own instance has benefits of control.
Agreed, and I don’t intend to stop at the moment. When I wrote “close it” I meant registration, sorry about the ambiguous language.
Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.
Banning users with certain “opinions” isn’t a bad thing on its own, but on .world that grain seems to be the corporate-bootlicking grain of Reddit.
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Hexbear is at the top by quality, not quantity 😔
I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It’s no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you’re right about the quality, that’s what’s important.
Also, don’t put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can’t get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.
Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It’s run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven’t defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.
Yeah, I was cool with sitting on lemmy.world until they did something that I wasn’t cool with.
I’m not loyal to them, or anyone else. The more choice, the better.
I think it’s fine to have a main instance, as long as that main instance isn’t gung-ho about censorship like lemmy.world has become.
Although I definitely agree with recommending against joining lemmy.world.
Such a shitty decision by biased mods and useful idiots. They deserve to lose power as a result.
My instance is somewhat small so I’m not guilty :D
why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it’s no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.
I don’t disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don’t.
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now…
If there’s anything they should be spooked by, it’s the pitchforks!
Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.
Don’t you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
To be fair they do say they “need to be” transparent, not that they were going to be :p
🤣
“Just a heads up for when we do this again: we know that it sucks, and we are doing it anyway.”
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It’s funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
That’s unfortunate.
They’ve just posted.
It’s not a good explanation. The only thing that changed was their own minds.
They got lawyered maybe.
I’m doubtful
Wouldn’t be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
Per https://lemmy.world/post/13320356, they got a takedown notice and started going through everything with a fine toothed comb.
😞 🧑🌾
average lemmy.world moment
being the biggest has it’s problems
its
of itself
.world is just the worst parts of Reddit. Even fucking Reddit hasn’t banned r/Piracy (yet)
Most of the “communities” are just endless meme reposts like reddit,
It definitely has that Front Page feel. I straight up just blocked .world after they took a pro Meta stand.
Why would Reddit ban it? It’s an easy way for them to collect users’ IP addresses for their corporate overlords.
The optics of a potentially publicly traded company (what ever happened with the Reddit IPO thing?) openly having a “how to steal other companies copyrighted work” forum is more of a negative than IP farming with no method to actually do anything useful with the IP addresses.
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Porn is less of a legal liability than copyright claims is my guess.
Also… like… if somebody is dumping money into Reddit as a user of Reddit, which is more likely to make them stop: killing the piracy forums or the porn forums?
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Specifically, the executives and shareholders want their Publicly Traded Shares of company stock to be increasing in value. Advertisers are good for getting long term holders of the stock to keep holding and buying, but everybody else is looking to quietly pump up the numbers and sell what they can without upsetting the apple-cart.
I’d bet a shiny metal dollar that after the IPO starts, the porn subs will slowly start being winnowed down. Give it a few years and if any exist they will be private.
Reddit IPO thing?
Planned for this week
Huh. I hadn’t thought about that. That’s not a bad point either.
Fair point
It hasn’t banned it, but they turned it into a meme community, which can be worse than being banned.
Luckily it doesn’t affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that’s the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what’s going on)
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
You ever get the feeling for a flowchart?
Someone please make one.
Are the 4 instances defederated from eachother? If they aren’t then you could just have 2 accounts
Best play, run your own instance and federate with whoever you want :D
Takes away some of the anonymity though, even with domain registrar obfuscation etc., they’d probably disclose the owner to a request from whatever authority comes knocking. And if you’re based in a jurisdiction where piracy is explicitly forbidden, federating with db0 and effectively co-hosting links to prohibited content might open a whole other can of worms. And not everyone is technically competent enough to run and maintain an instance, even if the initial setup works out with one of the how-to’s.
and if you’re really technical and really want to you can even bypass other people’s defederation attempts against you.
I think a solution would be to have instances without communities.
It sucks, but I’m really trying to find instances with the most federation. I’d rather censor things myself than to have some useful idiot do it for me.
“Instance A blocked instance B, so now we have to use instance C to communicate with both.” Seems kind of roundabout, which is why I’m looking for the ‘ever-C’ instance that federates with the most.
I mean, the real end solution is to host your own server. Then you can federate/defederate with whoever the hell you want. As long as you don’t do anything to get banned from a specific instance, you’ll be fine.
But that’s more work than most people are willing to put into a Reddit clone.
If you’re technical enough you can fight or bypass instance bans/defederation
Good call, I may have to drop the docker into truenas scale one day…
The issue is that depending on where the Instance is located can mean that the person is liable for the content on their instance, or at least some corps will try to take them to court over that.
It would be really nice to have something you’ve described, but then who hosts the community and becomes liable?
Someone’s always going to be liable, that’s unavoidable.
I’m just spitballing ideas for how we can always connect to the servers we want to.
@[email protected] hit the nail on the head. Self-hosting would be the end goal, but it’s too much of a hassle for most people to go through.
So a few servers that exist solely to connect with the fediverse would be ideal for those people.
Sigh.
On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances
The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn’t get the last memo.
Edit: the community -> their users
I suspect something involving law enforcement or legal. Still would love if LW admins updated on this.
Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks
Wish that was around when I moved from lemmy.world to lemm.ee some time ago. It would have saved me a bit of time. Nice that it’s there for the future, though.
Any good pro piracy instances?
Yepp - the one this community is on 🏴☠️
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created [email protected] for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn’t want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they’re anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there’s more incentive to move to better instances. It’s when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there’s less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from being the obvious target.
You’re not wrong. But people are lazy. They want to go where everyone is and have FOMO they’ll miss something good by not being on the biggest instance.
Instance checks out lol
hexbear alt
imo when the devs get tired of .ml being the second cousin and not the biggest or most well-liked instance, they’ll change their website to not surface by size and popularity so much.
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Yeah this admin is only 1 month old. So it does seem likely that they weren’t around for the last outrage.
It’s Spez’s Lemmy account.
Lemmy.world is the stupidest instance around
Indeed. In my opinion, it’s called lemmy.world but it’s too US centric to have the .world domain.
classic US
I don’t know, at least its not stuffed up to its assrim with Marxist filth.
Well where the hell else are we supposed to store our Marxist filth?
Instead it’s filled with zionazi and anti-piracy filth.
I prefer my filth Marxist and materialist flavoured thank you very much.
I mean, I like my Marxist content to be good and not filth. Maybe that’s what he meant.
Says lemm.ee user lmao
What’s wrong with lemm.ee?
Probably just using Texas_Hangover’s lack of logic against them
only to the begging of the rim
Absolute joke instance lmao.
Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big
I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
me too, enjoy seeing the occasional hexbear, ml, lemmygrad, etc
Honestly, seeing enough of their posts and discussions over the months turned me from left-leaning to a full-blown commie
Did you import your .world data to .ee?
I did with a tool I found in GitHub long ago, I think that is not needed anymore as Lemmy has included a similar tool within the user web page settings.
Oh really? How do I find this?
Same here. They also had issues with downtime around same time.
Yeah, it was very annoying because Lemmy.world was down very often, not their fault in most cases though.
Did this ever get fixed?
They might have. Last post in their announcement community regarding downtime is this one.
Another reason why I like Fediverse
If Lemmy.world would have full control over it, this community would just get banned, but there’s more and it is still accessable from all other places
Yeah, just like when reddit changed their rules to ban DNM.
Such a waste.
