It’s that anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness to simply disregard all their points without actually engaging with their arguments and how that’s stupid. The “doc” is portrayed in a negative light
The fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV-TR) (now replaced by DSM-5) states that a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD. These symptoms include:
Often loses temper
Is often touchy or easily annoyed
Is often angry and resentful
Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
Often deliberately annoys others
Often blames others for their mistakes or misbehavior
Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past six months
These behaviors are mostly directed towards an authority figure such as a teacher or a parent. Although these behaviors can be typical among siblings, they must be observed with individuals other than siblings for an ODD diagnosis. Children with ODD can be verbally aggressive. However, they do not display physical aggressiveness, a behavior observed in conduct disorder. Furthermore, they must be perpetuated for longer than six months and must be considered beyond a normal child’s age, gender and culture to fit the diagnosis. For children under five years of age, they must occur on most days over a period of six months. For children over five years of age, they must occur at least once a week for at least six months. If symptoms are confined to only one setting, most commonly home, it is considered mild in severity. If it is observed in two settings, it is characterized as moderate, and if the symptoms are observed in three or more settings, it is considered severe.
Is this how you express your anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian stances?
so if you’re regularly annoyed (1/4), angry (2/4) and spiteful (3/4) about being forced to participate in this exploitative system designed to bleed you dry until you die, you’re ok still… but if you try to do anything about it (by arguing with or defying “authorities” in any way) you’re an insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs? cool. that’s really convenient.
You’re deliberately oversimplifying, decontextualising and exaggerating the symptoms, and it is unlikely your spitefulness and anger extend beyond an occasional comment that you write online. It seems as if you really really want to be perceived as nonconformist and against the system, which is colloquially known as “being an edgelord”, and that doesn’t count as a disorder.
insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs
Again, making shit up. Show me where the article mentions locking up the person.
No, you’re just making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them. How about you do better and not be such a blatant bootlicker? This kind of shit reminds me of business insider articles trying to convince poor people that poverty and climate apocalypse aren’t causing a wave of mental illness, or that the solution to it is just more drugs
making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them
I’m not making excuses, because I don’t intend to excuse behaviour that at the very least isn’t typical, and more likely is just made up. As it is, you’ve provided no reasonable proof the situation in OP picture is typical or even real in any situation whatsoever (a cursory check of what the diagnosis is about suggests the situation isn’t realistic), and you deliberately misinterpreted the diagnosis and exaggerated your “symptoms”.
What I’m criticising here is a misinterpretation of a particular psychological diagnosis. Nowhere did I say “everything is fine”, nowhere did I say psychological issues in general are merely individual issues. That’s a whole other story. If I claimed Donald Trump rapes dead babies, and someone came and said that’s ridiculous and there’s no proof, is that person a Trump bootlicker? Fuck no. So why is criticism of this (as far as I can see for now) made-up idea that ODD diagnosis is abused this way “bootlicking”?
I could count under at least 4 of these and I consider myself an anti-authoritarian but otherwise normal, well-rounded person.
I do get easily annoyed by some people. I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics. And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically), which I guess is a 2-for-1 there.
if you are behaving this way on at least 75 days out of 150 in a way that impacts and impedes your ability to function, having a romantic or friendship-based relationship and work a job - yes, you might have a mental illness.
Right, by some people. Now, if this were a real situation in a clinic and not a persecution fantasy, chances are the therapist would inquire how and why those people cause annoyance exactly. Basically: is your reaction reasonable (annoyed by someone causing you actual harm, non-trivial discomfort, etc.) or unreasonable (annoyed by trivial things such as someone’s clothes, skin colour if you’re a racist, etc.)?
I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics.
Do you take out that anger and resentment upon other people, in ways which are harmful to them? Is your daily life hampered by those emotions? If not, it probably doesn’t count as a symptom.
And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically)
It is not abnormal to react negatively to ridiculous tasks.
I don’t believe that psychologists would count these things as actual symptoms. Probably you’re fine and healthy.
a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD.
Is often touchy or easily annoyed
Is often angry and resentful
Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
If I were imprisoned against my will I would certainly be exhibiting these 4 “symptoms.” Does that mean I have oppositional defiant disorder?
The problem with this is that it can too easily classify behavior that is appropriate to the situation as a disorder. The distinction that a professional might make is that these symptoms are only considered signs of a disorder if they are not appropriate to the situation, and that is a value judgement that cannot be objectively determined. This makes the diagnosis heavily subject to the values and beliefs of the person making it. In my opinion, we shouldn’t he classifying these types of situational behaviors as a disorder because the cause is almost always external/environmental, which a psychiatrist is often ill-equipped to address.
Some mental disorders are frequently used to pathologize people who are outside the typically accepted norms of society, the same way being gay or trans used to be different disorders decades or years ago.
right? this is the same type of brain-dead anti-intellectualist strawmanning that you see going around “mom groups” and antivaxx circles, just slightly tweaked. people are reading in their own nuanced criticisms (and those definitely need to be heard) but the meme itself is just “doctor bad”.
“the message of the meme is good” wha
It’s that anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness to simply disregard all their points without actually engaging with their arguments and how that’s stupid. The “doc” is portrayed in a negative light
It doesn’t. People are making shit up. From Wikipedia:
Is this how you express your anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian stances?
so if you’re regularly annoyed (1/4), angry (2/4) and spiteful (3/4) about being forced to participate in this exploitative system designed to bleed you dry until you die, you’re ok still… but if you try to do anything about it (by arguing with or defying “authorities” in any way) you’re an insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs? cool. that’s really convenient.
You’re deliberately oversimplifying, decontextualising and exaggerating the symptoms, and it is unlikely your spitefulness and anger extend beyond an occasional comment that you write online. It seems as if you really really want to be perceived as nonconformist and against the system, which is colloquially known as “being an edgelord”, and that doesn’t count as a disorder.
Again, making shit up. Show me where the article mentions locking up the person.
No, you’re just making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them. How about you do better and not be such a blatant bootlicker? This kind of shit reminds me of business insider articles trying to convince poor people that poverty and climate apocalypse aren’t causing a wave of mental illness, or that the solution to it is just more drugs
I’m not making excuses, because I don’t intend to excuse behaviour that at the very least isn’t typical, and more likely is just made up. As it is, you’ve provided no reasonable proof the situation in OP picture is typical or even real in any situation whatsoever (a cursory check of what the diagnosis is about suggests the situation isn’t realistic), and you deliberately misinterpreted the diagnosis and exaggerated your “symptoms”.
What I’m criticising here is a misinterpretation of a particular psychological diagnosis. Nowhere did I say “everything is fine”, nowhere did I say psychological issues in general are merely individual issues. That’s a whole other story. If I claimed Donald Trump rapes dead babies, and someone came and said that’s ridiculous and there’s no proof, is that person a Trump bootlicker? Fuck no. So why is criticism of this (as far as I can see for now) made-up idea that ODD diagnosis is abused this way “bootlicking”?
I could count under at least 4 of these and I consider myself an anti-authoritarian but otherwise normal, well-rounded person.
I do get easily annoyed by some people. I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics. And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically), which I guess is a 2-for-1 there.
if you are behaving this way on at least 75 days out of 150 in a way that impacts and impedes your ability to function, having a romantic or friendship-based relationship and work a job - yes, you might have a mental illness.
“A mental illness” or ODD? Shifting goalposts much?
ODD is a mental illness if we’re accepting that the DSM is a diagnostic tool.
Right, by some people. Now, if this were a real situation in a clinic and not a persecution fantasy, chances are the therapist would inquire how and why those people cause annoyance exactly. Basically: is your reaction reasonable (annoyed by someone causing you actual harm, non-trivial discomfort, etc.) or unreasonable (annoyed by trivial things such as someone’s clothes, skin colour if you’re a racist, etc.)?
Do you take out that anger and resentment upon other people, in ways which are harmful to them? Is your daily life hampered by those emotions? If not, it probably doesn’t count as a symptom.
It is not abnormal to react negatively to ridiculous tasks.
I don’t believe that psychologists would count these things as actual symptoms. Probably you’re fine and healthy.
If I were imprisoned against my will I would certainly be exhibiting these 4 “symptoms.” Does that mean I have oppositional defiant disorder?
The problem with this is that it can too easily classify behavior that is appropriate to the situation as a disorder. The distinction that a professional might make is that these symptoms are only considered signs of a disorder if they are not appropriate to the situation, and that is a value judgement that cannot be objectively determined. This makes the diagnosis heavily subject to the values and beliefs of the person making it. In my opinion, we shouldn’t he classifying these types of situational behaviors as a disorder because the cause is almost always external/environmental, which a psychiatrist is often ill-equipped to address.
I think they mean to agree with the pink hoodie person.
Some mental disorders are frequently used to pathologize people who are outside the typically accepted norms of society, the same way being gay or trans used to be different disorders decades or years ago.
right? this is the same type of brain-dead anti-intellectualist strawmanning that you see going around “mom groups” and antivaxx circles, just slightly tweaked. people are reading in their own nuanced criticisms (and those definitely need to be heard) but the meme itself is just “doctor bad”.