No, this community is totally geared towards the abolition of police and prisons. The confusion comes from that abolitionists like myself are in favor of reforming police and prisons in such a way to shrink their size and power until they are ultimately abolished. Although not all reform is made equal. Some reforms merely reinforce the police and prison system instead of delimiting and shrinking it. We are against those reforms.
The system that abolitionists want to abolish is the carceral system, an entire system geared towards social control that includes policing, incarceration, surveillance, punishment etc. Some abolitionists are anarchist like myself, so those kinds of abolitionists want to abolish the state and capitalism too.
That makes much more sense, focusing on rehabilitation and prison reform, re-forming the criminal justice system.
What I’m hearing from the community here, though, is “this is bad” rather than “this is how to make it better.”
Abolition of what I’m assuming it’s the American carceral system makes sense, and it needs some discrete goals to focus on, rather than “not what we have now”.
A lack of practical solutions is where anarchism rises or stagnates.
The pirate party in Sweden successes because their mission was very clear, to reform copyright law from punitive for consumers to practical for the artists, and then on strengthening the right to privacy.
Any “abolition” movement should have clear stated intentions; getting rid of broad foundations of the current system without even theoretical replacements or organization necessarily results in an entropic echo chamber of ultimately dead air.
You’re making a lot of assumptions without doing the work of engagement. You’re literally making stuff up about what abolitionists and anarchists believe. Please instead read something by Interrupting Criminalization or Critical Resistance instead of making stuff up.
I’m directly responding to the community info, the posts made in the community, and your responses with very specific suggestions and concrete examples.
No, this community is totally geared towards the abolition of police and prisons. The confusion comes from that abolitionists like myself are in favor of reforming police and prisons in such a way to shrink their size and power until they are ultimately abolished. Although not all reform is made equal. Some reforms merely reinforce the police and prison system instead of delimiting and shrinking it. We are against those reforms.
Active prison reform until the ultimate abolishment of punitive detainment?
Can you define the prisons you are in favor of abolishing?
Maybe the broadness of that term is what’s difficult for me to understand.
The system that abolitionists want to abolish is the carceral system, an entire system geared towards social control that includes policing, incarceration, surveillance, punishment etc. Some abolitionists are anarchist like myself, so those kinds of abolitionists want to abolish the state and capitalism too.
That makes much more sense, focusing on rehabilitation and prison reform, re-forming the criminal justice system.
What I’m hearing from the community here, though, is “this is bad” rather than “this is how to make it better.”
Abolition of what I’m assuming it’s the American carceral system makes sense, and it needs some discrete goals to focus on, rather than “not what we have now”.
A lack of practical solutions is where anarchism rises or stagnates.
The pirate party in Sweden successes because their mission was very clear, to reform copyright law from punitive for consumers to practical for the artists, and then on strengthening the right to privacy.
Any “abolition” movement should have clear stated intentions; getting rid of broad foundations of the current system without even theoretical replacements or organization necessarily results in an entropic echo chamber of ultimately dead air.
You’re making a lot of assumptions without doing the work of engagement. You’re literally making stuff up about what abolitionists and anarchists believe. Please instead read something by Interrupting Criminalization or Critical Resistance instead of making stuff up.
I’m directly responding to the community info, the posts made in the community, and your responses with very specific suggestions and concrete examples.
Browsing a small sub hardly gives you mastery over a subject matter. Please do some self-study instead of making bad assumptions.
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