Oldie but goodie.

Transcript: Tweet by the SRSLY wrong podcast. Content: “message to my enemies: when the revolution comes you’re not just gonna get the wall, buddy, you’re gonna get four walls, a roof, clean clothes, good food, education, and quality health care because that’s what every human being alive deserves”

  • thesporkeffect@lemmy.world
    41·
    8 months ago

    I will strongly disagree with the methodogy of these hypothetical agitators, but they are also not cops in this context, they’re saboteurs and I have no problem with them. It seems unlikely that this type of person would be hired by any PD, though.

    • brbposting
      2·
      8 months ago

      Very fair, thank you for such a civil reply.

      Something that surprised me, given that whole MURDER business I mentioned, was learning this a few years ago:

      If you hadn’t seen these stats before, do they complicate your views at all or perhaps fit right in? (I know it would be interesting if the survey asked the same/more police crowd whether they wouldn’t rather have some new organization take over. Not sure how that would be accomplished of course.)

      • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
        5·
        8 months ago

        So you just happen to have what looks like a cropped screenshot from a 2020 gallup survey saved for the past couple of years? Interesting that you felt it wasn’t prudent to also save and upload the rest of the results for full context or link the actual source for others. Doesn’t make your intentions with the limited information sketchy at all.

        Although Black Americans seem about as comfortable as Americans overall with the amount of police presence where they live, they differ markedly in their perceptions of how their local police might treat them if they were to interact. Fewer than one in five Black Americans feel very confident that the police in their area would treat them with courtesy and respect.

        Bottom Line - It’s not so much the volume of interactions Black Americans have with the police that troubles them or differentiates them from other racial groups, but rather the quality of those interactions. Most Black Americans want the police to spend at least as much time in their area as they currently do, indicating that they value the need for the service that police provide. However, that exposure comes with more trepidation for Black than White or Hispanic Americans about what they might experience in a police encounter. And those harboring the least confidence that they will be treated well, or who have had negative encounters in the past, are much more likely to want the police presence curtailed.

        These results correspond with Gallup’s previously reported findings showing that only 22% of Black Americans favor abolishing police departments. However, the vast majority believe reform is needed, with upward of 90% favoring specific reforms aimed at improving police relations with the communities they serve and preventing or punishing abusive police behavior.

        source

        The stats and full survey are not surprising when given their proper context. Does seeing the full results of the “web poll” done by gallup change your perspective at all?

        • brbposting
          4·
          8 months ago

          Saved since I DuckDuckGo’d for that survey yesterday! (Time highlighted at top)

          Bouncing around in my mind for four years, since seeing the Bay Area get a bit torn up by anti-police protests (incl. by well-meaning white folks, and due to the survey I always felt conflicted).

          link the actual source for others.

          I’m pretty good about the linking :) (note, comment was not edited - can check on your end) Not as good about writing alt-text for accessibility but getting better.

          Anyway same URL as you.

          courtesy and respect.

          So discouraging.

          upward of 90% favoring specific reforms aimed at improving police relations

          I guess that’s the move. I alluded to the likely desire to replace police with new-age enforcers and said I didn’t know how that’d work. The survey respondents are more reasonable than me then, taking aim at specific reforms rather than having a pie in the sky dream.

          I’m all for it. Those numbers are unacceptable.

          The person I would be at odds with wouldn’t be you, but someone who has this determined “abolish police 100%” stance. Survey shows that’s not popular. I’d love me some good reform!

          • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
            2·
            8 months ago

            My apologies on the linking bit. Definitely did not see it and kinda blows my mind I missed it. Glad you didn’t have to edit it for another reason because I would’ve called shenanigans in my head :P.

            I honestly feel like the “abolish police” thing was taken up by either bad actors or unfortunate miscommunications (probably both). Back during the peak of the police brutality riots, I read and watched a vast array of interviews and/or op-eds of which no one was saying vanquish all law-enforcement. There were some “hot spots” of police corruption running rampant in some known departments, basically needing a clean house strategy to start fresh, but all the caveats of the movements had a stance of reform, deescalation, and an emphasis on social services being used in lieu of armed response for non-violent calls.

            I typed this out the other day but forgot to get back to it and finish to submit this comment. I wanted to include my interpretation of the other survey images and link the other articles/survey data with it including how gallop ran the poll. If you’re still interested in the discourse let me know and I’ll reply my thoughts.

            • brbposting
              2·
              8 months ago

              What’s been rubbing me the wrong way lately is the average mention of police on Lemmy seems to be in the acronym ACAB.

              I can’t get over the first letter.

              I’m hard pressed to think of any group of 10m (global) or 700k (domestic) people where I can use the word “All” before describing them. I prefer “PEB”: Policing Enables Bastards. I may be too literal*: “PEB” has been downvoted perhaps 2 or 3 of the 3 or 4 times I’ve mentioned it.

              The most ethical department in the US probably has like two cops and they’re probably great to every single one of the couple hundred residents they serve. (Speculating) Why lump them in with even 99% of the rest of departments even if we believe those 99% all have at least one bad cop who the other cops covered for?

              Maybe I should listen to those interviews featuring people who are glad to accept nuance, instead of just hearing from rightfully upset yet absolutist-minded people on here :)

              Glad to read more from you! 😎