It’s like “believe in God and he will provide” fuck that noise, we need action and belief. We need proactiveness. We need people to act not just believe.
FFS, the only person who was only ever able to provide like that in the bible was Jesus. And there was always a prerequisite to it - he had to have something he could multiply - he didn’t conjure wine out of nowhere, he needed water to convert. He didn’t randomly produce the food for 5000 he needed fish and bread to begin with.
Even in the bible people had to at least do the bare minimum for shit to happen. These guys are withholding even that and saying prayer is the answer. Like it’s a cure all, it’s not, and it never was.
Even in the bible people had to at least do the bare minimum for shit to happen
Beyond that, there are a lot of good behaviour and principles in there: while some insist on faith alone, it is abundantly clear that the gospel demands action, as there are a plenty of parables for people to listen - they tell you how to behave and how to act in the world - . If you have faith and that brings to actions and good deeds, fine, if you use faith as a trump card (ah, see what I did there), you’re doing something wrong. I have read the faith only arguments, but I will strongly disagree with them. If anything the whole point of the gospel is too act and not to be too formal about it. But I am a little skinny ape, I think as one, and apes like action.
Prayer, when combined with every earnest effort possible to solve ones problems, can be a good way to help the mind cope with difficult, dangerous, or tragic situations. For most people it serves the same function as meditation.
It’s such a stupid thing to say too. I got into an argument with a relative about it recently. By the Bible’s own rules, a Christian who tells someone hungry to pray a little harder instead of just feeding them isn’t a Christian, and they’re damned. This whole “God helps those who help themselves” bootstrap/prosperity Christianity is the worst type of religion.
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Hmmm. A Christian believing something that doesn’t make sense because it’s not* in the Bible?
By any chance, does that belief help them give into their sinful nature and pretend god is cool with it? The usual: laziness, greed, hatred, dishonesty, etc.
It’s like “believe in God and he will provide” fuck that noise, we need action and belief. We need proactiveness. We need people to act not just believe.
FFS, the only person who was only ever able to provide like that in the bible was Jesus. And there was always a prerequisite to it - he had to have something he could multiply - he didn’t conjure wine out of nowhere, he needed water to convert. He didn’t randomly produce the food for 5000 he needed fish and bread to begin with.
Even in the bible people had to at least do the bare minimum for shit to happen. These guys are withholding even that and saying prayer is the answer. Like it’s a cure all, it’s not, and it never was.
Beyond that, there are a lot of good behaviour and principles in there: while some insist on faith alone, it is abundantly clear that the gospel demands action, as there are a plenty of parables for people to listen - they tell you how to behave and how to act in the world - . If you have faith and that brings to actions and good deeds, fine, if you use faith as a trump card (ah, see what I did there), you’re doing something wrong. I have read the faith only arguments, but I will strongly disagree with them. If anything the whole point of the gospel is too act and not to be too formal about it. But I am a little skinny ape, I think as one, and apes like action.
Prayer, when combined with every earnest effort possible to solve ones problems, can be a good way to help the mind cope with difficult, dangerous, or tragic situations. For most people it serves the same function as meditation.
Yep. These idiots actually try to say (and maybe even believe) that if you pray hard enough, the loaves and fishes will appear.
It’s such a stupid thing to say too. I got into an argument with a relative about it recently. By the Bible’s own rules, a Christian who tells someone hungry to pray a little harder instead of just feeding them isn’t a Christian, and they’re damned. This whole “God helps those who help themselves” bootstrap/prosperity Christianity is the worst type of religion.
Hmmm. A Christian believing something that doesn’t make sense because it’s not* in the Bible?
By any chance, does that belief help them give into their sinful nature and pretend god is cool with it? The usual: laziness, greed, hatred, dishonesty, etc.