Or people are too dumb to understand decent writing. The storm troopers destroyed the rebels in the opening scene. They killed almost every fighter in the battle of Yavin. The only time they didn’t perform well is when intentionally letting Leia escape. Sure there’s plot armor, but there’s also an explanation for a lot of it.
They also sucked in Mos Eisley. They aren’t trying to let them escape, nor are they trying to take them alive or anything like that. They completely give up the element of surprise by loudly shouting “blast them!” and then fail to hit anything despite having an entire squad of troops ready to open up on them.
That said, ESB shows them as being competent, and the only shots they miss are from long range and against targets with good cover. Sadly, the same cannot be said of ROTJ, as basically everything the empire does on Endor is idiotic and makes them look incompetent.
as basically everything the empire does on Endor is idiotic and makes them look incompetent.
Which makes perfect sense, as by RotJ the empire had to rely on barely trained new recruits and recently promoted officials, because most of their veterans were dead - either by Vader-phyxiation, by “meetings with the Emperor” or straight up backstabbing.
They mean when they escape the death star and rescue Leia in ANH. Vader explicitly says he ordered to let them escape so they could be tracked to Yavin 4.
The plan at the time was what the film explicitly said. They were devastatingly effective at taking the Tantive IV. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the sandcrawler (to the point that they couldn’t disguise it as having been attacked by sand people). They were devastatingly effective at nearly hitting the protagonists enough times that they believed they were being shot at for real, when actually they were just being herded onto a ship with a tracker on it so they’d reveal the location of the rebel base they’d spend the first half the film failing to threaten or torture out of Leia. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the rebel’s attack force against the Death Star, and were seconds away from destroying Yavin IV and the rebel base on it when someone used supposedly-extinct space magic to make what the film had previously described as an impossible shot against a tiny target.
The only time they miss is when the film says they did so on purpose.
Sure why not? The universe he created was meant to be explored and opened up, he specifically avoided hemming himself into situations. They did a good job avoiding most retconning until Disney took over.
Sure lots was made up, but that’s literally what fiction is, so why are you upset about it…? Lmfao. This wasn’t a universe that was created for him like most other stories, it was a universe for others. Not everyone is going to understand the difference unfortunately though.
He was also general during the war and led platoons of clone troopers, he knew what they were capable of first hand.
ah…you are taking this as an attack. thats why you think I’m upset. It’s all stupid fun dude. Pointing out stupid shit is just part of the fun. I like the movies as much as most of the people here.
But my original point stands. Lucas always just kinda…said things. Then the fans come along and (mostly in the books that don’t count anymore) worked within what he said to flesh shit out for real. Then of course the prequel trilogy came out and he made up more shit to fit with what he said before. Some neat, like making the clone wars tie into the storm troopers…some we do not speak of.
It’s not an attack on your fandom and nobody is upset :)
People who just say he didn’t think of x y or z back than, kinda miss the point, he thought ahead enough to leave it open to interpretation. So yeah it kinda is an attack, when you miss the authors intentions and inject your own…
Ah…well if you take it as an attack on your fandom I’m sorry my man. Maybe just try not to take these things so seriously? It was all stupid fun that you are trying to turn serious.
Lmfao, your first comment was a literal attack on the fandom and the creator… of course you would claim that now since your knowledge was called out. Especially given something as simple as clone vs storm troopers… fucking hell…
it was a lighthearted attack. and more importantly a light hearted insult at Lucas where I praised the fandom for fixing things he did. Yet…you right now are saying you took that as an attack at the entire fandom.
Dude…seriously. Lighten up. Please? Shit, go look at ten forward. 99% of the posts we make are jokes about the worst shit like Sub Rosa. nobody freaks out. Its all just dumb fun. Hell just yesterday I made a twitter (then abandoned it because i started feeling dirty) because I thought it would be funny to @ Gates McFadden all the sub rosa memes. I was upvoted for doing this.
You can talk shit about something in a light hearted way without it being a true attack dude.
and you HONESTLY think that was the plan at the time? That the storm troopers he was thinking of was the clone wars? That was already canon back then?
Considering the very first drafts mention “Sith” and George had the idea of midichlorians way back then, I wouldn’t ignore the possibility. Lots of things were either cut or went unmentioned until Episode I.
As usual the fans come up with a great answer to explain away poor writing.
There’s gawd damn laser swords, I’ll rationalize anything else I need to.
It’s still real to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvd3aEsThbc
Or people are too dumb to understand decent writing. The storm troopers destroyed the rebels in the opening scene. They killed almost every fighter in the battle of Yavin. The only time they didn’t perform well is when intentionally letting Leia escape. Sure there’s plot armor, but there’s also an explanation for a lot of it.
They also sucked in Mos Eisley. They aren’t trying to let them escape, nor are they trying to take them alive or anything like that. They completely give up the element of surprise by loudly shouting “blast them!” and then fail to hit anything despite having an entire squad of troops ready to open up on them.
That said, ESB shows them as being competent, and the only shots they miss are from long range and against targets with good cover. Sadly, the same cannot be said of ROTJ, as basically everything the empire does on Endor is idiotic and makes them look incompetent.
Which makes perfect sense, as by RotJ the empire had to rely on barely trained new recruits and recently promoted officials, because most of their veterans were dead - either by Vader-phyxiation, by “meetings with the Emperor” or straight up backstabbing.
Also… I assume quite a few of their best and brightest were on the first death star. That was a large station…
Considering Tarkin, Sidious’ right-hand man, died in that explosion, I’d say that’s a safe assumption
If Tarkin was the right hand, would that make Vader the left hand? Ironic …
For Leia, Vader had set the Stormtroopers on ‘Stun’.
They mean when they escape the death star and rescue Leia in ANH. Vader explicitly says he ordered to let them escape so they could be tracked to Yavin 4.
Another instance of explaining plot armor.
Actually, i was making a StarTrek joke.
Or maybe you don’t understand the difference?
Clone troopers were highly trained and sometimes specialist trained clones of jango.
In the other hand, storm troopers are human “recruits” that are trained by suboptimal clones or left over clone troopers.
They are entirely different armies that were parts of mostly entirely different wars.
and you HONESTLY think that was the plan at the time? That the storm troopers he was thinking of was the clone wars? That was already canon back then?
Or…did he just say ‘clone wars’ because it sounds spiffy and Lucas had absolutely zero thought put into it past that?
The plan at the time was what the film explicitly said. They were devastatingly effective at taking the Tantive IV. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the sandcrawler (to the point that they couldn’t disguise it as having been attacked by sand people). They were devastatingly effective at nearly hitting the protagonists enough times that they believed they were being shot at for real, when actually they were just being herded onto a ship with a tracker on it so they’d reveal the location of the rebel base they’d spend the first half the film failing to threaten or torture out of Leia. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the rebel’s attack force against the Death Star, and were seconds away from destroying Yavin IV and the rebel base on it when someone used supposedly-extinct space magic to make what the film had previously described as an impossible shot against a tiny target.
The only time they miss is when the film says they did so on purpose.
Sure why not? The universe he created was meant to be explored and opened up, he specifically avoided hemming himself into situations. They did a good job avoiding most retconning until Disney took over.
Sure lots was made up, but that’s literally what fiction is, so why are you upset about it…? Lmfao. This wasn’t a universe that was created for him like most other stories, it was a universe for others. Not everyone is going to understand the difference unfortunately though.
He was also general during the war and led platoons of clone troopers, he knew what they were capable of first hand.
ah…you are taking this as an attack. thats why you think I’m upset. It’s all stupid fun dude. Pointing out stupid shit is just part of the fun. I like the movies as much as most of the people here.
But my original point stands. Lucas always just kinda…said things. Then the fans come along and (mostly in the books that don’t count anymore) worked within what he said to flesh shit out for real. Then of course the prequel trilogy came out and he made up more shit to fit with what he said before. Some neat, like making the clone wars tie into the storm troopers…some we do not speak of.
It’s not an attack on your fandom and nobody is upset :)
People who just say he didn’t think of x y or z back than, kinda miss the point, he thought ahead enough to leave it open to interpretation. So yeah it kinda is an attack, when you miss the authors intentions and inject your own…
Ah…well if you take it as an attack on your fandom I’m sorry my man. Maybe just try not to take these things so seriously? It was all stupid fun that you are trying to turn serious.
Lmfao, your first comment was a literal attack on the fandom and the creator… of course you would claim that now since your knowledge was called out. Especially given something as simple as clone vs storm troopers… fucking hell…
it was a lighthearted attack. and more importantly a light hearted insult at Lucas where I praised the fandom for fixing things he did. Yet…you right now are saying you took that as an attack at the entire fandom.
Dude…seriously. Lighten up. Please? Shit, go look at ten forward. 99% of the posts we make are jokes about the worst shit like Sub Rosa. nobody freaks out. Its all just dumb fun. Hell just yesterday I made a twitter (then abandoned it because i started feeling dirty) because I thought it would be funny to @ Gates McFadden all the sub rosa memes. I was upvoted for doing this.
You can talk shit about something in a light hearted way without it being a true attack dude.
Considering the very first drafts mention “Sith” and George had the idea of midichlorians way back then, I wouldn’t ignore the possibility. Lots of things were either cut or went unmentioned until Episode I.
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Not just shit writing, but some of the worst.
It’s wild the mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves this series is good.
Give me your version of a good series so I can shit on that
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Tell me your version of a good story so I can shit on that
Lol I’m the one who started this and I think he’s over the top
Why are you dodging the question? Could it be that - gasp - you’re a pathetic basement dwelling troll?