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Article says Vault tec saying they would drop bombs first means they did.
Which doesn’t make sense. Because the people in that meeting weren’t prepared to launch first.
The guy who created fallout has said since the first game that China launched first. Everything still points to China launching first despite Vault tec being willing to because they thought China wouldn’t.
Maybe China just did it out of the blue, maybe China heard Vault tec was doing it.
Yeah, unless something further is revealed about Cooper Howard’s pre-apocalypse past and his relationship to his wife, it’s hard to imagine his wife would just leave them out there on the day the bombs fell if she was around and knew it was going to happen.
I guess one possibility for next season is she is murdered or dies in an accident, perhaps forced to choose between company loyalty and her family. Cooper is probably smeared for being a communist (thus him doing kids parties and having his daughter along to help) and he loses any kind of insider perspective about what Vault-Tec is up to, so it remains a mystery who shot first from our perspective.
I’m fairly convinced that Cooper’s 200 year long revenge that they mentioned in I think episode 6 or 7 or whatever is targeted towards his I assume ex-wife. Her being the one who suggested to launch the nukes likely destroyed the entire relationship and he decided not to go with her into one of the vaults. She likely did not have much control over the launch anymore at that point either and, being safe herself, ended up nuking him and her daughter basically.
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It’s not just her.
Almost all the people in that room were important in one game or another. They all knew it was going to happen eventually, even “soon”. But not a single one was prepared when the bombs dropped.
It makes sense someone beat them to the punch, and that someone has to be China. Unless some rouge vault like 4 that was already in place did something to start it to ensure their vault would “win”.
All they’d have to do is give China a heads up, they wouldn’t have to launch any nukes themselves
Considering that all the employees in vault 31 are in cryo or little brain robots I’m not so sure about that. It kinda implies that they were very much ready.
Eh, you don’t put 100s of people in cryo overnight.
Like, wasn’t that F4? Some people had went into cyro early to be safe, but the PC has to sprint last second to make it in?
Even among the general population, people seemed to know it was coming soon, just not that day.
No idea, I only played F3 a very long time ago, and the very beginning / intro of NV. But I feel that would only prove my point further because they clearly did not get surprised by a foreign launch if they were already in the vault but already preparing for it, which would be hard to do since they likely did not have knowledge of a possible Chinese launch long in advance. The whole cold war state of getting nuked was going on for quite a long time in that universe so that feeling was already there anyway. I don’t think they strictly stated that they nuke themselves either, Vault-Tec might’ve just attacked China with them, which then retaliated due to MAD and became the scapegoat.
I have some big issues with the final Dr Strangelove scene.
For one, big companies don’t like competition at all, Amazon should know all about that.
For another, once the bombs fall, the sales stop. You can’t tell me vault life would be preferable to their current ultra-billionaire lifestyle.
For a third, none of the people in that room would be even remotely hurt if their companies folded. That only applies to small business owners, not billionaires.
So they have zero incentive to drop the bombs. That’s just ridiculous.
Unless wealth is just their means to feel in control. All the wealth in the world apparently can’t stop war from happening and someone else being able to nuke them means they have to face the reality that they are not in control of all things. Vault tec gives them the psychological out of not facing their own lack of control by telling them they get to drop the bomb and control the vaults. If they drop the bomb, they take control back from chaos.
They also did social experiments in each of the vaults. It’s kinda more like the books/TV show Wool/Silo.
I don’t think we’re considering all the possibilities for this revelation. Like China may have dropped the first bombs on the US after vault Tek dropped a bomb on China
Drives me insane when people analyze videogames and movies like that are real…
Are you real?
No
spooky
Are you a fan of no kind of story?
Well, surprisingly, Fallout is hyper realistic. All the tech described is based on known to us science, etc. In this instance it’s very interesting to analyse the lore.
It really isn’t hyper realistic at all. It’s an alternate reality universe where they had tiny fusion energy cores, exoskeleton power armors, and goofy AI robots in the 1950s. And past the apocalypse you have even more nonsense that really doesn’t make sense. In the show we even have magical cold fusion tech, which is apparently different to the fusion cores, which are already so powerful, long lasting and small enough that I don’t see too much of a net gain if you don’t know how to make more of it anyway since both are proprietary designs and the knowledge behind them lost in both cases.
I agree with you, but the prewar era of the game is not the 1950s.
The bombs dropped in 2077. The main divergence of the fallout timeline is that they didn’t discover the transistor until the 2060s or so. Which is why everything has that bulky style to it. The 50s style is also attributed to a kind of cultural renaissance to that era. Kind of like how sometimes hairstyles come back after decades of being out of style, only for an entire time period.
The diversion isn’t just the transistor. From my understanding its that the cold war doesn’t happen after ww2. You get instead 50 years of the collaboration as an entire species.
Things only start falling apart when the oil runs out.
Also Bethesda added Aliens manipulating Earth, with overtones that it was them who started “the great war.” Also they had been manipulating humanity for at least several hundred years.
Quick interjection, fusion cells and cores aren’t actually fusion reactions, they’re fission. The labeling is a prewar advertising gimmick.
Fallout is not set in 1950-s. Its setting doesn’t start before 2050-s. We already have goofy robots, exoskeletons and fission nano reactors. Fusion cores are a marketing gimmick, they are not fusion and don’t last long. You don’t understand the Fallout universe at all.
We have nothing that comes even close to those examples I listed.
We’re not in 2050-2070-s either.
We’re like ~50 years behind, but have transistors. In the 2070 we’re supposed to have Iter, a massive big regular fusion prototype that is still far away from any sort of commercially viable product. If you really think some 1950s based society developing all this shit is “hyper realistic” when we can’t achieve something even resembling it despite our technological advancement, then you’re simply delusional.
Fallout is hyper realistic
Ah, yes, stim-pacs have saved my life numerous times, and I also experience time dilation at my own whim! And, obviously, a quick hit of Jet has gotten me going at least a few times over the years.
Considering it’s set in the future and modern studies into rapid wound healing (like this one https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/04/230418011121.htm this one https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-50009-3 and this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463929/) it’s fair to say that stimpak like tech is not unrealistic in its nature. It actually follows research trends of the 1990s.
experience time dilation at my own whim
Perceived time dilation.
And Jet is pretty much a variant of meth.
Rapid wound healing doesn’t mean a bullet hole heals in seconds nor does it mean a crushed bone will magically straighten and fix itself.
3 times faster means 1 months instead of 3 months for full tissue heal.
Jet actually lets you perceive faster. Meth gives you the illusion you are thinking faster where in reality everyone looks at you while you stand there grinding your teeth.
It’s not hyper realistic. But it’s extremely entertaining.
All its tech and science is based on our existing tech and science, it’s just fast forwarded a few decades into the future.
They have ai robots where the intelligence comes from vacuum tube circuits.
And?
Given that it takes a giant room of vacuum tubes to equal the computation power of a cabinet sized 1960’s transistorized computer and neither had anything close to the AI of a small robot shown in Fallout, it isn’t hyper realistic.
