Lol wtf are you on about. It’s realistic to you that people can have PTSD, hyperphantasia, photographic memory, schizophrenia, bipolar, blindness/deafness, multiple sclerosis, and all these other otherworldy experiences which most people wouldn’t believe without being educated on it, but not realistic that a portion of people have deficient or non-existent mental imagery? Or even that a portion of people have ADHD?
I seriously doubt that you know better than neuroscience&psychology researchers and people who have the disorder but alright.
Also aphantasia isn’t “no remember thingies”. Memory is complex and it isn’t reliant on your ability to project images into your vision.
I have never been able to actually mentally visualize something, I always thought “imagine being in your happy place” was a metaphor and not that you’re actually supposed to visualize a place. I have always took “visualize” to mean not literally putting it in your vision, but just thinking about the fact of a situation. The closest I have to actually being able to picture an image/object is dreams and sleep paralysis hallucinations lol. No amount of caffeine or concerta could possibly change that. You’re crazy if you think because you can’t imagine it that there’s a conspiracy of “so-called aphantasiacs and medical researchers” who are lying about the existence of lacking mental imagery.
I’m curious as to where you allegedly saw aphantasia being “debunked” because all there seems to be is crazies on internet forums (specifically, Reddit and ycombinator) who notably aren’t psychology researchers, have no qualifications regarding the matter, and are just random people who want to feel like they cracked the code. Often times it’s people who have never been able to visualize who think their deficiency of mental imagery is the norm and that most other people have never been able to visualize either.
I’m also curious as to whether you think developmental/congenital prosopagnosia is fake or if it’s just a phase like you think aphantasia is.
These are by Rebecca Keogh (and others), an actual cognitive neuroscience specialist/psychology researcher who has a PhD from one of the most well-regarded universities in Australia. Here they establish that there is real evidence that aphantasiacs lack mental imagery, and finds that there is no evidence backing the claim that “aphantasiacs have mental imagery”. Keogh also has some works that delve deeper into mental imagery and how it’s a spectrum, including aphantasiacs and hyperphantasiacs.
I shouldn’t even have to give sources because I’m not the one claiming an abnormality in visual imagery is fake but here you go anyways.
It literally comes up immediately when you search for aphantasia research. You clearly have not even tried to find research on aphantasia. Now where are your sources? I notice you didn’t link any, at all.
MBTI testing is also horseshit.
??? Where in the god damn fuck did I mention MBTI or personality tests in general in my original comment?
I didn’t see it “debunked” on Hacker News and Reddit, those are the #1 aphantasia and ADHD havers in the entire world.
And yet you don’t mention where you “saw it debunked”, just stating that you totally did bro.
It’s hilarious you think something less rigorous than IQ testing is on the same level as PTSD
Again, you are being crazy, you are quite literally making up arguments to attack out of your ass.
I don’t know why you decided this is the hill for you to die on despite you clearly having no idea of what you’re talking about and most respected psychology & neuroscience/cognition researchers who have tackled the subject clearly not being aligned with your views on the matter at all, and what makes you think you have any authority to just call a scientifically measured and agreed-to -exist phenomenon fake, but go ahead and have a tantrum and pretend you know anything about the subject I guess.
If you respond with internet magazines or a shitty YouTube video essay as your source I’m gonna laugh myself to asphyxiation
Does Aphantasia also cause the development of superhuman levels of patience? Because my dude, i don’t know how you managed to entertain this troll for as long as you have. This whole thread was highly entertaining though, so thanks for that, lol.
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It’s extremely funny unblocking his profile once and seeing him on other random posts and replying to random comments threads I’m in, calling video game players mentally deficient, saying the people that are replying to him and downvoting him are bots (people obviously being extremely confused as to wtf his rambling has to do with the thread and scolding him for following users and harassing them), spam replying some random German dude and calling him my alt for no apparent reason, just in general being extremely obsessive/delusional over the comments. His meltdown alone was worth this comment thread lmfaooo. He’s paranoid as hell of everyone on the site now and lives in fear that all the users he interacts with may just be me in disguise, it’s glorious
Buddy you’re coping so hard. You said you saw a reliable source debunk aphantasia, and now you’ve been caught in your lie and you’re trying to weasel your way out. Some of these papers also have pools of various phantasiacs in the hundreds to thousands. A few of the sources clearly state (and give a source for) tens of thousands of people having been diagnosed with aphantasia.
Where is this “debunking” you said you saw? Is your angle now just “scientists are wrong and bad and having actual evidence on different levels of mental visual imagery is fake news, even though I am saying it’s wrong with no knowledge of neuroscience or psychology at all”?
Ah so now you’re just going on a tangent in a desperate attempt to drive the conversation away from where you’ve been established to be wrong according to an ocean of credible researchers on the subject.
Many people are diagnosed with “ADHD” too idiot, it’s just a sleep disruption disorder.
Oh my God this cannot be real. Now you can find a thousand papers with a sample size you’ll like which very much establish your view as idiotic. But let me guess, the scientists are wrong and you’re right despite not being a medical researcher or even a medical professional at all? What authority do you think you have on this?
The fact is that the burden of proof is on you considering you’re arguing against established psychology/neuroscience research in the field that has had qualified researchers agreeing to the existence of. You can not just pull “science is wrong” out of your ass.
You are a bad liar. You have no evidence to your claims and the entire argument you make is “just trust me bro, even if the scientific community disagrees with me and I can’t find a source for my incorrect claims I still totally am right”.
There is no way you’re actually being real at this point. Do you have any qualifications in medical research (if so state the qualifications), and have you ever written a paper studying neuroscience or even had higher education on the matter? Do you think you are more credible on the matter than ADHD&Autism experts and specialists in mental imagery? Don’t flood your comment with other bullshit noise, just answer those two questions.
Oh so your actual stance is “science isn’t real”. LMAO. You’re so pathetic, you actually think there’s a conspiracy by dozens of some very well-known and trusted neuroscience/psychology researchers on the subject, even specialists in the field (some of which have aphantasia themselves) to make up aphantasia?
“If I don’t like the ocean of sources and independent research, I’ll just disregard it, even if I have no evidence myself for my claim.”
and there are other meta-analyses of aphantasia studies which explore how bad the data is.
Multiple of the studies (including ones I linked) suggest that there isn’t as much data on the subject as there is on other disorders since mental imagery has only recently started being explored in-depth, but where exactly do you see any that suggest that aphantasia isn’t real or that the lack of data establishes no consensus on the existence of aphantasia? Because a “debunking” would do that, but all of the meta-analyses I’ve come across still accept the existence of aphantasia as a chronic disorder.
Pretty funny how you make these grandiose claims but never have a source. Your only source is Reddit threads on people saying it’s not real lol.
Keep evading and making BS claims that you said you had sources for, despite you not having sources. Nobody’s buying your pseudoscientific anti-science drivel, go huff some minerals or something.
You said you had sources for “aphantasia is real”. Where are they? You think you can lie that easily and wiggle your way out of it? Clearly they’re very established in your memory since you’re so confident that it’s a total debunking of aphantasia.
Lol wtf are you on about. It’s realistic to you that people can have PTSD, hyperphantasia, photographic memory, schizophrenia, bipolar, blindness/deafness, multiple sclerosis, and all these other otherworldy experiences which most people wouldn’t believe without being educated on it, but not realistic that a portion of people have deficient or non-existent mental imagery? Or even that a portion of people have ADHD?
I seriously doubt that you know better than neuroscience&psychology researchers and people who have the disorder but alright.
Also aphantasia isn’t “no remember thingies”. Memory is complex and it isn’t reliant on your ability to project images into your vision.
I have never been able to actually mentally visualize something, I always thought “imagine being in your happy place” was a metaphor and not that you’re actually supposed to visualize a place. I have always took “visualize” to mean not literally putting it in your vision, but just thinking about the fact of a situation. The closest I have to actually being able to picture an image/object is dreams and sleep paralysis hallucinations lol. No amount of caffeine or concerta could possibly change that. You’re crazy if you think because you can’t imagine it that there’s a conspiracy of “so-called aphantasiacs and medical researchers” who are lying about the existence of lacking mental imagery.
I’m curious as to where you allegedly saw aphantasia being “debunked” because all there seems to be is crazies on internet forums (specifically, Reddit and ycombinator) who notably aren’t psychology researchers, have no qualifications regarding the matter, and are just random people who want to feel like they cracked the code. Often times it’s people who have never been able to visualize who think their deficiency of mental imagery is the norm and that most other people have never been able to visualize either.
I’m also curious as to whether you think developmental/congenital prosopagnosia is fake or if it’s just a phase like you think aphantasia is.
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These are by Rebecca Keogh (and others), an actual cognitive neuroscience specialist/psychology researcher who has a PhD from one of the most well-regarded universities in Australia. Here they establish that there is real evidence that aphantasiacs lack mental imagery, and finds that there is no evidence backing the claim that “aphantasiacs have mental imagery”. Keogh also has some works that delve deeper into mental imagery and how it’s a spectrum, including aphantasiacs and hyperphantasiacs.
Paper by Liana Palermo, PhD in cognitive neuroscience and specialist in mental imagery research, who very bluntly accepts the existence of multiple types of aphantasia & hyperphantasia
This paper by CJ Dance addresses the prevalence of aphantasia and how it is, again, a spectrum, and discredits the idea that it isn’t simply an impairment in metacognition, rather it is an isolated deficit in visual imagery.
Here’s a paper involving MANY medical, psychology, and neuroscience researchers which goes over aphantasia and hyperphantasia research, and has many citations to papers that affirm the existence of aphantasia.
A paper by a STEM/IM researcher finding evidence for deficits in mathematic visualization in aphantasiacs.
Paolo Bartolomeo is a highly accreddited neurologist & researcher, and Jianghao Liu is a cognitive neuroscience researcher (PhD) with specialization in visual mental imagery and consciousness. The paper clearly states the existence of a disorder causing absent or nearly absent visual imagery called aphantasia.
Here’s Cleveland Clinic casually affirming its existence too.
I shouldn’t even have to give sources because I’m not the one claiming an abnormality in visual imagery is fake but here you go anyways.
It literally comes up immediately when you search for aphantasia research. You clearly have not even tried to find research on aphantasia. Now where are your sources? I notice you didn’t link any, at all.
??? Where in the god damn fuck did I mention MBTI or personality tests in general in my original comment?
And yet you don’t mention where you “saw it debunked”, just stating that you totally did bro.
Again, you are being crazy, you are quite literally making up arguments to attack out of your ass.
I don’t know why you decided this is the hill for you to die on despite you clearly having no idea of what you’re talking about and most respected psychology & neuroscience/cognition researchers who have tackled the subject clearly not being aligned with your views on the matter at all, and what makes you think you have any authority to just call a scientifically measured and agreed-to -exist phenomenon fake, but go ahead and have a tantrum and pretend you know anything about the subject I guess.
If you respond with internet magazines or a shitty YouTube video essay as your source I’m gonna laugh myself to asphyxiation
Does Aphantasia also cause the development of superhuman levels of patience? Because my dude, i don’t know how you managed to entertain this troll for as long as you have. This whole thread was highly entertaining though, so thanks for that, lol.
(I know it goes deeper but i didn’t want to bury my comment that far down)
It’s extremely funny unblocking his profile once and seeing him on other random posts and replying to random comments threads I’m in, calling video game players mentally deficient, saying the people that are replying to him and downvoting him are bots (people obviously being extremely confused as to wtf his rambling has to do with the thread and scolding him for following users and harassing them), spam replying some random German dude and calling him my alt for no apparent reason, just in general being extremely obsessive/delusional over the comments. His meltdown alone was worth this comment thread lmfaooo. He’s paranoid as hell of everyone on the site now and lives in fear that all the users he interacts with may just be me in disguise, it’s glorious
I just witnessed a murder lol
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Buddy you’re coping so hard. You said you saw a reliable source debunk aphantasia, and now you’ve been caught in your lie and you’re trying to weasel your way out. Some of these papers also have pools of various phantasiacs in the hundreds to thousands. A few of the sources clearly state (and give a source for) tens of thousands of people having been diagnosed with aphantasia.
Where is this “debunking” you said you saw? Is your angle now just “scientists are wrong and bad and having actual evidence on different levels of mental visual imagery is fake news, even though I am saying it’s wrong with no knowledge of neuroscience or psychology at all”?
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Ah so now you’re just going on a tangent in a desperate attempt to drive the conversation away from where you’ve been established to be wrong according to an ocean of credible researchers on the subject.
Oh my God this cannot be real. Now you can find a thousand papers with a sample size you’ll like which very much establish your view as idiotic. But let me guess, the scientists are wrong and you’re right despite not being a medical researcher or even a medical professional at all? What authority do you think you have on this?
The fact is that the burden of proof is on you considering you’re arguing against established psychology/neuroscience research in the field that has had qualified researchers agreeing to the existence of. You can not just pull “science is wrong” out of your ass.
You are a bad liar. You have no evidence to your claims and the entire argument you make is “just trust me bro, even if the scientific community disagrees with me and I can’t find a source for my incorrect claims I still totally am right”.
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There is no way you’re actually being real at this point. Do you have any qualifications in medical research (if so state the qualifications), and have you ever written a paper studying neuroscience or even had higher education on the matter? Do you think you are more credible on the matter than ADHD&Autism experts and specialists in mental imagery? Don’t flood your comment with other bullshit noise, just answer those two questions.
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Oh so your actual stance is “science isn’t real”. LMAO. You’re so pathetic, you actually think there’s a conspiracy by dozens of some very well-known and trusted neuroscience/psychology researchers on the subject, even specialists in the field (some of which have aphantasia themselves) to make up aphantasia?
“If I don’t like the ocean of sources and independent research, I’ll just disregard it, even if I have no evidence myself for my claim.”
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You are a dumbass, multiple of the studies are meta-analyses and many very clearly state that the group studied are otherwise healthy individuals.
You have no evidence for your BS claims and that makes you mad.
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Multiple of the studies (including ones I linked) suggest that there isn’t as much data on the subject as there is on other disorders since mental imagery has only recently started being explored in-depth, but where exactly do you see any that suggest that aphantasia isn’t real or that the lack of data establishes no consensus on the existence of aphantasia? Because a “debunking” would do that, but all of the meta-analyses I’ve come across still accept the existence of aphantasia as a chronic disorder.
Pretty funny how you make these grandiose claims but never have a source. Your only source is Reddit threads on people saying it’s not real lol.
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Keep evading and making BS claims that you said you had sources for, despite you not having sources. Nobody’s buying your pseudoscientific anti-science drivel, go huff some minerals or something.
You said you had sources for “aphantasia is real”. Where are they? You think you can lie that easily and wiggle your way out of it? Clearly they’re very established in your memory since you’re so confident that it’s a total debunking of aphantasia.
He’s from ml, that’s what they do
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