• CookieJarObserver
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    87
    arrow-down
    16
    ·
    1 year ago

    Lenin himself wasn’t the problem and the Statures for him are usually for being a Revolutionary and removing the Tzar.

    Stalin was the actual problem.

    • Eldritch@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      Let’s be honest. Lenin is the problem. Karl Marx was a philosopher who spoke with a lot of figurative language. Which Lenin treated as all literal dogma. And I am here to tell you taking figurative work literally is one of the worst decisions you can make. Just like evangelicals who take the bible literally. When it isn’t even a coherent work of fiction. Let alone a solid system of rule and law.

      Absolute power corrupts absolutely. As can be clearly seen in every major country that has tried Lenin’s blind ideology. (Cuba had some special circumstances that kept it from spiraling as fast as the others. Plus Venezuela is still a bit early to call. But likely will get there) Or pretty much every major capitalist nation as well. With Lenin as the lynchpin consistently making bad decisions. (Stalin) I think it’s probably safe to say he had good intentions. But was far out of his depth and it showed.

      And I’m not some liberal, or fascist critiquing from the right. Just a pro social democracy slightly libertarian leaning socialist.

      • CookieJarObserver
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        He wasn’t the coolest or nicest person, but definitely better than the Tzars, under him Russia had its best years.

        • Eldritch@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Perhaps if you only look at that small segment. But his legacy involves much more than only the best years. (And that’s being generous) While I’m not going to say that he was a net negative. I think it’s a lot harder to make the argument that he was a net positive. I think he did do some good for Russia. But it is inarguable that his ideology hurt a lot of people and help others hurt a lot of people as well. And it’s not something that can be hand wave away as the fault of capitalists. And certainly not someone to emulate or acolyte for in this day and age.

    • Ezergill@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Eh… He still was kind of an imperialist and wasn’t about to let any ex-Russian Empire territory out of his control, although some of them tried to cede and go independent

    • poVoq@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      30
      ·
      1 year ago

      Lenin was a counterrevolutionary that brutally suppressed any dissent and directly placed Stalin (being well aware of what a person he was) in a position that would make his later takeover possible.

        • poVoq@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          34
          arrow-down
          9
          ·
          1 year ago

          Lenin placed Stalin as an enforcer to do the dirty stuff for him. It would be very naive to assume Lenin didn’t know the risk involved of putting a former mob gangster in such a position.