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The constitution is about 19 pages long. Here’s a pdf
Did you read the entire thing?
I doubt that, but OK.
Yeps. One of my electives at uni was the history of the US constitution law for non-legal majors. I had to take 2 history classes for my degree and I thought it would be an interesting subject. Not only read it also had it read to me by my professor. He was a retired JAG officer and militant ACLU supporter.
I guess we need to know what people consider long. The full document is longer than the Declaration of Independence , which I know a lot better. I can’t remember having to read the Constitution in school, just the preamble and a couple of amendments. This doesn’t excuse my ignorance though. Thanks for providing the whole document.
Compared to most constitutions on the planet, it’s considered a short one.
I think compared to most governments on the planet, the US Federal government was supposed to be a tiny one. That’s why it’s not supposed to be allowed to do virtually anything it does today.
The workarounds to grow the federal government are kinda like you’re stuck on a desert island and all you have is coconuts, so you build your house out of coconuts, you build your car with coconuts, you build a wife with coconuts, you build your kids with coconuts, a whole society built out of coconuts. It’s like "This is impressive, but what the hell made you think this was the intent of the assignment?
you build your wife with coconuts
I vote we skip any more discussion about how we’re going to be using coconuts on this island.
A coconut wife sounds amazing, especially if they were to start buzzing with life one day.
There are some reddit stories that I just don’t need to be reminded of… 🤢
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I just looked it up and it seems that the German constitution has more than 350 pages. But the first 20 sections contain the most important and almost unchangeable foundaries.
To be fair, Germany has a loooong and mega history, and they’d have been thorough out of necessity. No idea what’s in there, but I assume there’s a lot that addresses all the parts and histories of Germany before it was unified. It would’ve been a nightmare drafting that thing up initially.
You can read a translation if you like:
My five year old’s Fancy Nancy books are more than 19 pages.
Less words per page though, and less confusing language.
True, we need to rewrite the US constitution as a kids picture book with appropriate language so that the 54% of American adults with a reading comprehension below 6th grade can keep up.
That’s a startling number. It goes far towards explaining some of the responses my comments get.
That… answers a lot of questions
We couldn’t possibly agree on how the terminology in the original translates into plain language. We can’t agree on what it means in the first place, even the most obvious plainly worded things.
Not that I’m trying to refute this in any way, but why include 16 and 17 year olds in adults?
For a book, remarkably short.
For a news article, quite long.
For a legal document, who reads those anyways?Compare it to the constitution of the Soviet Union.
19 pages isn’t really a lot, , but this guy doesn’t strike me as much of a reader.
I’m a reader. I’ve never read the constitution though, fiction only. I also think it’s too old, can’t get into the classics as much as more contemporary lit.
Reading it and going over the contents is also a part of standard US high school curriculum. It’s a graduation requirement. At least, it was when I graduated high school in California in the 90’s.
Yeah I kind of doubt that was a real requirement then and not something your social studies teacher mandated. It’s definitely not the case now or anywhere outside of the state afaik
Wild
It’s 17 pages… Not that crazy, really. https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf
I more meant that they wanted you to learn it. Feels practically subversive these days.
We did similar in primary school in Australia. A big portion of the seventh grade is learning about the Westminster style of government, state and federal roles, and the courts. We even did our own class parliament session each week to debate and try pass different levels of law. We were able to get Grade 7s a specific hang out area at the school cafe passed based on our lower house (classroom) sittings, then our senate (Prefects and the primary school principal) passing it.
Constitution or clinical studies, MAGA people will take a devout view, that they read online at MAGA.
Damn, that is pretty short. I’m not American but I had always just automatically assumed it would have to be hundreds of pages. No clue why, of course, just some subconscious bias.
If only people would respond with respectful “I doubt that, but ok”.
These days, such a response is as scarce as an honest politician.
I doubt that, but OK.
❤️
“Let’s agree to respect each other’s opinion, no matter how wrong your’s might be.”
In my experience, the two things that seem to surprise conservatives I’ve talked to are: the constitution is less than 20 pages long, it’s on my phone, and we could read it together in about 30 min (no takers so far), and that there are living redwood trees in California older than Jesus. I don’t know why the second one surprises them so much, but it’s one that seems to consistently elicit surprise.
Old trees are such a treasure. It’s a shame that despite their strength they can also be fragile. My house has chestnut floors, easy to find in 1927, but then a blight wipes out 90% of the population. And not to mention us humans but we don’t need to constantly talk about that, except to say it should be our goal to help these things grow for millenia.
There was a quote attributed to Lao Tzu I saw on tiktok the other day, and I was pretty damn sure it was nowhere in the Tao Te Ching, but I was curious if there was some weird translation out there I wasn’t aware of.
The conversation went EXACTLY like this. Like down to the word.
If you look into the original sources, it gets confusing pretty quickly. There’s a bunch of other sources (e.g. the zhuangzi) that assign quotes to Lao Tzu, but they’re probably made up.
However, Lao Tzu probably didn’t write the Tao Te Ching, so 🤷♂️.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laozi
Basically, by making shit up and saying Lao Tzu said it, tiktok is continuing a long Chinese tradition.
I’m confused, what was the quote talking about? Surely not the US Constitution…
“Simplicity in governance is essential, just like they have in the United States Constitution. That thing is only like 19 pages long. I read the whole thing.” -Lao Tzu
Confucius say “I doubt that, but OK”.
As a machine language model, it was a pretty easy read I will say.
One of my favorite things to do with chat gpt is having it rewrite things as Trump. I wasn’t interested in rereading the constitution a second ago, but it’s going to be tremendous, you wouldn’t believe how great it’s going to be
I doubt that, but ok.
Wow… So this is about to become a thing… Like beans… 😂
I doubt that, but OK
Hmm…I just finished the final posting tests for the launch of my app, I’m more of a commenter but maybe I should take it for a spin
What community would that fit in though?
Well, hopefully not another beans but it’s funny for this thread
You know, folks, everyone says I’m the biggest Harry Potter fan, and I have to say, I probably am. I’ve read all the books, all seven of them, and let me tell you, I’ve read them many times. People come up to me and say, “Donald, how do you know so much about Harry?” Well, I just do. I know all about the wizarding world, the spells, everything. Some people might say they’re fans, but I’m the biggest fan, believe me.
In the magical world, folks, there’s this incredible, absolutely tremendous thing called the Philosopher’s Stone. It’s like pure gold, very, very valuable. You wouldn’t believe how valuable. People are saying it can make you live forever, and let me tell you, that’s a fantastic idea. We need more things like that, don’t we? It’s a winner, folks.
Maybe if they made it a podcast chaired by a bald angry man.
I thought this was Malcolm from Malcy in the Middle lol
say you havent read it without saying you havent read it.
lol
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Ad hominem if it was a debate
Pretty sure that would just be a fight.
Thats why I said if it was
Ad hominem? How so?
Well, actually the context is unknown at least for me so I supposed it was a debate. If you instead of attacking someone arguments attack the person it is ad hominen
How is it ad hominem to ask if they have read the constitution? Here’s the video at https://youtu.be/YVDJqipoohc. Watch from the 50 second mark. The question is on topic and asked as a follow up. Why would you assume the worst without even knowing the context?
Are you . . . confidently incorrect?
I dont want to see a 6m video just to prove or not prove a point. I said IF it was a debate and in a quick look it doesnt look like a debate just an interview
No need to watch the whole video. Watch from the 50 second mark. Will only take 20 seconds from there.
Even if this was a debate, how is this ad hominem? This being an interview or a debate has nothing to do with it being ad hominem, does it?
You can interview someone and say “you are an idiot for giving that answer.” Is this fine because it’s an interview, not a debate?
The context that I supposed was that they were debating and then he said that, atacking the people instead of the argument makes it ad hominem but I was wrong, it was not that context
