• S_204@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    It’s not murder. It’s a war. What happened on October 7th? On the other hand, was murder. The retribution for starting the war is a war in return. The consequences of starting a war are typically identified by a body count. Don’t want none. Don’t start none.

    That you failed to understand this, is your failure and demonstrates a serious bias and lack of understanding.

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        6 months ago

        Yeah that’s great. Israel has clearly established that they are not targeting women and children. They’ve dropped leaflets. They’ve made phone calls. They’ve even put idf soldiers at risk having to escort people away from Hamas snipers who are targeting people trying to leave.

        Your anger is directed at the wrong people. It needs to be directed at Hamas openly uses human Shields, operates out of civilian quarters and uses what should be protected. Facilities like hospitals and schools to launch attacks from. If you’re going to sit there and say that Israel should not respond to being attacked because they’re being attacked from a hospital then I have no problem calling you in a bigot because what you’re saying in reality is that the Jews need to accept being rocketed and killed. That’s just an absurd position to take, but we’re seeing a lot of absurd people and positions related to this conflict. Like the people trying to claim that anti-zionism is an anti-Semitism. Nothing more absurd than that.

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          6 months ago

          Israel has clearly established that they are not targeting women and children.

          Are you nuts? There are 8000 identified children dead. So either the IDF is targeting civilians or their targeting is war-criminal level bad.

          what you’re saying in reality is that the Jews need to accept being rocketed and killed

          No, they don’t have to accept it. They should elect governments that don’t support apartheid and commit genocide, thus perpetuating the cycle of violence.

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            6 months ago

            You’re just intentionally ignoring that Hamas uses women and children as human Shields? You’re going to overlook the video that shows children running to the rooftops encircling a guy holding a gun?

            West point Military academy has published papers showing the links that Israel is gone to prevent civilian death in the face of the civilians being used as human Shields. Their civilian to combatant ratio is better than anything that has been seen in this style of war ever. That you’re ignorantly claiming that it’s out of line demonstrates that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

            That you’re saying that all Israel needs to do is elect a peace-loving government also demonstrates your ignorance. Considering over the past 80 years, Israel has spent about 70 of them making peace deals that have been rejected by the Palestinians. Even before Israel was granted statehood, they were making offers to create a peaceful Nation. Go read their founding Charter. It clearly states that they want to work and to integrate with peace wanting Arabs. After a couple of generations of watching their homes, businesses and buses blown up, they took the gloves off and fought back. It’s about time the Palestinians elected someone that wasn’t a terrorist organization… Because that’s the only way this ends, whether peaceful or by extreme violence Hamas is gone. They won’t choose the peaceful option cuz they care more about raking billions of dollars in and staying in power than they do about Palestinian people…

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              6 months ago

              Like anyone who has bothered to inform themselves even just a little, I’m fairly well aware of what Hamas is and the evil they represent.

              But I’d like to hear from you what number of children killed by Israel do you think is acceptable or “justified” because of what Hamas is and did?

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                Every life lost is a tragedy. You’re asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is why does Hamas use children as human Shields? Why does Hamas get a free pass on sending teenagers to their death holding firearms. If you’re as up to speed as you claim to be, then you’ve seen the videos coming out of their kindergarten classes where they’re being trained to kill Jews.

                Every child lost is blood on hamas’s hands. They started this war. They continue to claim that they will attack again and again. They are the ones responsible for the death and destruction that we’re all witnessing. Some might claim there is no such thing as a just war. I don’t necessarily agree with that. I do think that the Israelis are just in defending themselves against the existential threat openly admitted by Hamas.

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                  6 months ago

                  I have to be honest with you. This is the most nonsensical and reprehensible thing I’ve heard about this conflict yet.

                  “Hamas has used innocent civilians as human shields so it’s ok for Israel to kill thousands of children”

                  You disgust me.

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                    My favorite part of the argument is the IDF saying it’s terrible to use human shields then immediately start talking about the human shields they are using