When people say this shit, are they arguing that it’s ok to kill children?
Frankly, . Yeah. “War is war” is the phrase i have heard most often. It makes me wonder about what exactly the second invasion of Iraq looked like on the ground.
We’ve all heard stories, none of them good
I didn’t have to hear stories. I saw. Not because I was there.
My cousin took his digital camera with him. He has a BLAST showing off his photos when he got home. I’ve never been so sickened up to that point in my life.
It was a game to most of them.
Some of them went over there broken, and some came home broken. Either way it’s a tragedy
Christian evangelicals are the worst offenders. You would think that they would support Palestine on the basis that their Christian population is the oldest Christian community in the world but no. They have to support Israel because of “end time prophecies”, “Rapture/Revelations” or other bullshit.
Most of what you said would be news to Christian evangelicals. Also they wouldn’t care.
So… not killing children of a certain race (that definitely isn’t Jewish) is antisemitism? How the fuck do these two things line up? They really shouldn’t.
They’re CHILDREN, not parasites.
Nuance is absolutely fucking dead on Lemmy. There is so much disgusting antisemitism sprinkled across the righteous protestors. The way the police handle the protests is horrible. Both can be true at the same time.
do you have documented examples
Not the OP, but of course there are SOME people in the group who will be anti-jewish, but it’s all a question of percentages. If it’s 1%, then who the fuck cares? If it’s 50% then it’s a big deal. I’m sure it’s somewhere in between. From what I saw, the vast majority of protestors were not anti-jewish even if they were anti-Israel, however the new media quickly smeared the two together to waaay to many of their statements. It was really disappointing to see that message on so many different platforms.
I don’t live in the US. In Germany, we have attacks on synagogues and shit ever since the war started.
I only follow the US discourse online and it’s riddled with shit like “Isn’treal” and from the river to the sea.
Israels reaction to the Hamas attack is disgusting, solves absolutely nothing and kills tens of thousands innocent civilians. That gives me no right however to demand Israel to be destroyed or even to attack Jewish people in general.
I can’t speak on what’s going on in Germany but “Isn’treal” is about Israel being a European settler-colonial state and “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” just means that the nation of Palestine should be free from the colonial boot it has been crushed under since the start of the Nakba. Dissolution of a regime does not necessitate destruction of its citizenry
$100 says they do not have a single shred of tangible evidence, just their feelies.
We must kill all tbf
I’ve been dying for people to wake up to the fact that trolls are going around dressing up their words too sound reasonable while they’re actually attacking others.
Doesn’t really seem like the folks holding signs and protesting are being arrested. The people who have set up encampments and are trespassing are being arrested, but they’re clearly and obviously breaking the law. Peaceful protest is protected, vandalism, and attacking students or blocking them from accessing the buildings they’re paying tuition to use isn’t peaceful protest. There’s a hell of a lot of video showing that quite a number of these are not peaceful or protests. Signs calling for intifada are not peaceful.
Man it’s a good thing the founding fathers didn’t engage in any vandalism and only peacefully protested until the crown let them become independent.
If you’re trying to equate or conflate the plight of the founding fathers with the plight of a peoples who hold near absolute domination over the entire region with 22 ethnostates, then you need to go back to history class.
This isn’t a fight for freedom in any way, shape or form. It’s a fight to eliminate the only state that isn’t Muslim in the region.
It’s also a good thing that Pro-Israeli counter protestors would never do anything like that themselves. Right?
RIGHT?
Oh… oh hang on.
That’s to find out part after fucking around LOL.
You’re not going to lock people out of campus. Take away the right to access the facilities they’ve paid for and not expect pushback. Super easy way to avoid. This is to not set up illegal encampments in the first place.
Yet again here we have people crying victim over the consequences of their actions. Completely typical among the Anti Jew crowd.
Yet again here we have people crying victim over the consequences of their actions. Completely typical among the Anti Jew crowd.
Not like you though, right?
Completely typical of the Zionist crowd. Gotta play the victim as they murder thousands.
It’s not murder. It’s a war. What happened on October 7th? On the other hand, was murder. The retribution for starting the war is a war in return. The consequences of starting a war are typically identified by a body count. Don’t want none. Don’t start none.
That you failed to understand this, is your failure and demonstrates a serious bias and lack of understanding.
“It’s not murder”
Do you know that war has a definition? Part of that definition, by international agreement and law is to not target civilians, especially children.
It’s considered a war crime. Israel is clearly and provably guilty of war crimes.
Yeah that’s great. Israel has clearly established that they are not targeting women and children. They’ve dropped leaflets. They’ve made phone calls. They’ve even put idf soldiers at risk having to escort people away from Hamas snipers who are targeting people trying to leave.
Your anger is directed at the wrong people. It needs to be directed at Hamas openly uses human Shields, operates out of civilian quarters and uses what should be protected. Facilities like hospitals and schools to launch attacks from. If you’re going to sit there and say that Israel should not respond to being attacked because they’re being attacked from a hospital then I have no problem calling you in a bigot because what you’re saying in reality is that the Jews need to accept being rocketed and killed. That’s just an absurd position to take, but we’re seeing a lot of absurd people and positions related to this conflict. Like the people trying to claim that anti-zionism is an anti-Semitism. Nothing more absurd than that.
Israel has clearly established that they are not targeting women and children.
Are you nuts? There are 8000 identified children dead. So either the IDF is targeting civilians or their targeting is war-criminal level bad.
what you’re saying in reality is that the Jews need to accept being rocketed and killed
No, they don’t have to accept it. They should elect governments that don’t support apartheid and commit genocide, thus perpetuating the cycle of violence.
Do you know how Israel protested the British empire to get their attention and Palestine’s land after WWI?
They created a terrorist group to target and murder high ranking officials.
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These people don’t even know why they’re angry and they’re clearly being led around by people with an agenda they’re not aware of. We see this with the intifada guidebook being distributed, this was never a peaceful protest.
The claims of children being half of the dead being a good example of ignorance being amplified. Even the UN fell for it, they’ve admitted their mistakes - I won’t hold my breath for the protesters to do the same.
Can you give me a reliable source that the Israelis haven’t killed thousands of children?
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I’m just asking for evidence that thousands of children weren’t killed. The fact that you seemed threatened by the question and defensive tells me a lot about you and your position. Thanks
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I haven’t changed anything. I asked a question that you seem afraid to answer.
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I am positive you are right.
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It do not be like that
It do be like that
It do be exactly like that. But your isntreal flag tells me you can’t understand that.
isntreal flag
yeah, sure, stoke the flames higher. That’s what the world needs right now.
People like you are the reason why people are suspicious of all protests. Because they’re infiltrated by People like you.
You openly support a genocidal fascist state and I’m stoking the flames? Sure Jan. Concern troll elsewhere.
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Please explain the nuace necessary to justify genocide as a defensive strategy.
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See this is how it always goes with you people.
You say there’s nuance, but when prompted for more info you just act exasperated, like it’s not important enough for you to explain yourself and say “educate yourself” but then don’t bother to provide any sources for your assertion.
I’ve educated myself incorrectly? Show me where you educated yourself.
No one ended this dialog but you.
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Things that never happened
https://youtu.be/QgV-BGfIbtQ?si=Ilj0elxwt-nFq314
Man if only there were some video evidence of literally that exact scenario happening.
Don’t worry, they can waive their cognitive dissonance by mentioning that’s some western fake news propaganda.
Should be any minute now.I know that video exists of anything conceivable so yeah I don’t suddenly believe that there’s some big movement of people claiming any support for Palestine is anti-Semitism. A tiny minority of people not really worth mentioning. Yes I said it “never” happened but that’s only a slight exaggeration
Man if only there were news outlets reporting on literal representatives in congress saying being pro Palestine and anti-zionist is antisemitism.
Holy shit dude, how are you this good at being explicitly and easily provably wrong?
great job, nuanced argument, 5 stars. Never have I been more wrong in my life than when I said there aren’t many people equating these protests to anti-Semitism. I mean jeez it’s gotta be like… .00001% of the population. A plague upon society! We should be screaming from the rooftops about what a couple of people believe…because… That helps sell the idea that gEnOcIdE JoE is personally murdering children. Er I mean it’s true. Yeah that’s it. It’s true . So many people believe this that it’s just a horrible danger to the world.
Keep moving that goal post buddy. You’ll get them eventually!
right I totally did that, and you are totally not coping with your extreme bias that causes you to believe you are persecuted for having an extremely popular opinion
I only bring nuance to good faith arguments, so far you’ve demonstrated that you will just make anything up and wait for us to easily refute it. So now that we’ve devolved into sophistry and meta-argumentation, I’ll leave the convo here and hope your day is as pleasant as you are.
I’ve demonstrated I’ve no patience for people who intentionally or accidentally support trump
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If the point was that he’ll just say easily disprovable lies, then sure he made his point.
But he hasn’t made any statements that aren’t easily disproven by a quick Google search. There are people who literally faked being in “danger” to get police to break up peaceful protesters, and literal lawmakers in congress who are equating support for Palestine as antisemitism.
But hey I guess not all of us can be brainteasers morons who don’t know how to use google.
