I think I need to rephrase the question. I’ll post again in a few days.
The replies so far have generally been very polite, given the subject. I was nervous about that. Thanks everyone!
… Hear me out, okay?
Back in 2000 I took my first solo, out of state trip, to meet an online friend. When I got off the bus, she greeted me, and let me know that we had to go stop by her friends house on the way back.
She was Wiccan and needed some Spiritual guidance because the night before she saw a black portal open up in the corner of her room that was giving her really bad vibes.
It wasn’t my thing, but I never discounted it. Maybe it was real, and if nothing else it’s just how her mind is rationalizing things.
But I guess my question is: Does the Scientific Method rule out the possibility that a “real” portal appeared in her room?
Taking wave function probability into account and the absense of data from the room, is it fair to say that the scientific method doesn’t rule out the black portal being real?
Looking for black and white answers if possible, but I’d also love to hear your reasoning~
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Given there available evidence, the theory that your friend was hallucinating or just lying is far more plausible and therefore preferable. However, it’s fundamentally impossible to prove the non-existence of anything. The scientific method can only positively prove that something exists, not prove that something doesn’t exist.
I’m gonna rephrase the question and post it again in a few days. I don’t think I was able to convey the question properly.
I think it would be right in saying the scientific method hasn’t ruled it out as it hasn’t been applied to the phenomenon in question. There is also no reason to believe it did happen, and our current understanding suggests that if such a thing as a portal is possible (whatever portal means here) it likely would not ‘just happen’.
Assuming the witness isn’t just lying, I think the best thing would be to rule out psychological or neurological causes first. But without a portal to actually study, the scientific method isn’t going to get very far.
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I think I should have emphasised the other part… I’m wondering about the possibility, however unlikely, that a wave function “cascade” could take place, creating or giving the illusion of a portal to the observer.
You keep mentioning wave functions, what is your understanding of them and how do you think they might apply here?
Problem is that the burden of proving that the black portal exists is upon the person who saw it. So you’d need data of the room before and after the portal opening.
Otherwise, this is like arguing that something exists when there is only anecdotal evidence to back up it’s existence.
I’m mainly just curious about its potential for existence. However unlikely, could a wave function “cascade” cause the appearance of something perceived as a black portal to the observer? Or even an actual “portal” whatever that would be.
I don’t think so? Portals are a very… unexplored field of study and the sighting could have been a hallucination or something. Spiritually minded people are prone to those, for whatever reason.
What is a black portal? What are it’s properties? How do you repeatably and reliably measure it?
I think the emphasis on the scientific method was a mistake, lol.
I’m wondering about the possibility, however unlikely of a quantum “cascade” that would result in, or the illusion of, a black “portal.”
Not a physicist, but have had a lot of wiccan/neopagan friends over the years.
A portal to where? If you assume it does go somewhere, and isn’t just a visual disturbance of some kind, what you would have is a massive amount of energy being focused to connect two points.
I’m old and dgaf, but you can go look up the kind of math used when people start talking about wormholes. I’ve seen the kind of numbers involved in the energy required. There’s a really big value for n where 10^n is used to express it. We ain’t even talking triple digits if my memory isn’t worse than I think it is.
So, if your friend was present for a portal to or from somewhere other than this earth, I would imagine they’d be dead. Poking a hole like that is not going to be free of secondary phenomenon like black holes have emissions.
So, I would seriously doubt that what she experienced was a portal, doorway, hole, or anything like that. It has its own validity as an experience for her, but that validity doesn’t extend beyond her.
If you want the woowoo spiritual explanation, it would have been a symbolic representation of a doorway rather than a doorway itself. You can easily learn to visualize so strongly as to have the imagery seem very close to reality. There’s weird folks out in the world that don’t even have to try; they just have highly visual imaginations, and it takes very little for it to become very realistic. Don’t even ask about my dreams in that regard, or how easy it is to have what amounts to hallucinations if I can get deep into a book.
So, someone that is spending a great deal of time focused on “spiritual planes”, or whatever, is very likely to eventually either find something they can convince themselves is spiritual and “real”, or outright placebo themselves a numinal experience. And, you can’t prove a negative, so maybe they do experience something that has an objective reality that we can’t detect. But, you know, wiccans be trippin, even when they aren’t smoking herbs.
This was a great reply, thanks.
so maybe they do experience something that has an objective reality that we can’t detect.
This is what I’m pondering right now. I’m not considering how likely it is, just the possibility and implications.
I’m mainly concerned with the ability of quantum mechanics to enable even just the illusion of a “portal” to manifest in shared reality.
