This was a guided tour of the future main station in Stuttgart called Stuttgart21.

More pictures: https://imgur.com/a/8QnDQrO
(Disclaimer: The descriptions could be wrong for the east/west orientation :P)

  • Downcount@lemmy.world
    164·
    6 months ago

    They started this project 14(!) years ago, planned to be finished 2019, costing over 11 billion Euros.

    Nobody wants it.

    The site is still under construction (thought to be finished next year).

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
        8·
        6 months ago

        It’s “needed” to increase throughput.
        The current head station is a head station meaning it ends here and then they do a U-turn and go back different direction.

        Also it’s planned as a fully digital station which is supposed to increase the throughput as well as the trains can be dynamically throttled when enetering the station.

        Current trackplan:

        Stuttgart 21:

        Planned changes on a map:

        • Downcount@lemmy.world
          6·
          6 months ago

          39 trains per hour with the old station is still more than 32 per hour with Stuttgart 21. Also groundwater, nature and referendum are totally meaningless words for anyone supporting this idea.

          • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
            6·
            6 months ago

            May be. I just thought the tour was interesting and wanted to share a bit what I was told.

            But you aren’t wrong with your position.

        • thedarkfly@feddit.nl
          3·
          6 months ago

          Honestly it seems like a sensible change. If I’m not mistaken Frankfurt Hbf is also a head station and you lose a ton of time because of it.

          • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
            3·
            6 months ago

            If I remember our guide correct, the current max speed into the main station is 50kp/h max vs S21 being at 80kph.
            Because it’s planned as the first fully digital station (meaning only digital equipped trains can pass due to signaling) it should be able to not require full stops or similar.

            At least what the guide told us seemed all logical and dainty but it still is taking a ton of time and money.

      • Downcount@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 months ago

        Oh, there were ppl who wanted it, just not the people like you and me. They held a referendum: about 60% were against it.

  • Downcount@lemmy.world
    8·
    6 months ago

    Also: This is, what I will ever associate with the words Stuttgart21 and eye:

    graphic

    (Lost one eye for being so criminal to protest against something the majority was against doing it.)

    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      2·
      6 months ago

      Please put a spoiler or disclaimer before that picture.
      It’s important to know but it’s a bit too graphic. :/

  • lurch (he/him)
    4·
    6 months ago

    it’s famous for being almost 5 billion € over the initial budget of 4.5 billion.

    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      2·
      6 months ago

      It’s like any budget planned in Germany (or the world) for mega projects like this.
      But I can understand that considering this is (according to the guide) basically a full concrete-slab and cube underground made in basically one pour.

  • Synapse@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    6 months ago

    It’s interesting to see it from the inside. It has been in construction for as long as I’ve leaved here. It looks like the inside of a mother-ship of some alien species.

    Of course there is a lot of controversy about this project. I feel rather neutral about it.

    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      2·
      6 months ago

      Same here. The tour was interesting and the offer to see what could not be seen or done easily (like entering the train tunnel) was something I couldnt pass.
      But the things that happened before this is not something what should be forgot.

  • Ziggurat
    2·
    6 months ago

    Is that already done? Remember the big protest against it 10years ago.

    In the end how useless it is? And how much of a money pit it is/was

    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      3·
      6 months ago

      Not done and still in construction but I could see it being done by 2030 (at least so trains can fully drive through).
      More pictures: https://imgur.com/a/8QnDQrO
      (Disclaimer: The descriptions could be wrong for the east/west orientation :P)

  • alphafalcon@feddit.de
    2·
    6 months ago

    Aside from budget and time overruns it looks like they overshot the target of “futuristic” and landed in the middle of dystopian…