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      Less palestinians will die under Biden. People who says “how could it be any worse?” have a severe lack of imagination and/or historical knowledge.

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        Less palestinians will die under Biden.

        This claim is absolutely meaningless without evidence and some indication about how the situation resolves.

        There’s a very good chance the moment Biden knows he’s won the election he’ll call you Bibi and go “thanks for your patience. Go nuts.”

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          I mean the right has already made it clear that they’re 100% pro genocide, straight up recommending that every Palestinian is killed. The worst Biden could possibly do is be as bad as Trump.

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              You have no one to vote for. Every single candidate supports genocide. Biden, West, Stein, Sanders. Palestinian genocide or Ukrainian genocide. Pick your 'cider

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                  Well, frankly, your vote obviously doesn’t matter to you. Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn’t noble, it’s ignorant. Whether you choose to accept it, your choice will do nothing other than help Trump.

                  But, yeah, go cry some more about how pointing out reality is “attacking you”.

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                    I wasn’t crying about being attacked. I was pointing out it’s a bit absurd to attack/judge/whatever you want to call this people like me in order to cater to people who would abandon Joe Biden in the general election if he stops supporting a genocide.

                    You’re yelling at the wrong people.

                    Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn’t noble, it’s ignorant.

                    Okay. What are you going to do about it? You want my vote and you can’t have it for free. Work for it.

              • Raphaël A. Costeau@lemmy.ml
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                Ukrainian genocide

                Yes, the “Ukrainian genocide”… You know that genocide used to be a word with a meaning, right? That we shouldn’t go around calling any conflict a genocide?

                No matter what your opinion on the conflict, comparing it to the situation in Palestine is the same as denying it, there is no comparison. Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets, we have only had the collateral damage that is expected from any war. And this collateral damage is infinitely smaller than any of the wars the United States has engaged in in the last 50 years. Do you call the wars in Iraq, Indochina, Libya and Korea genocides?

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                  Not deliberately bombing civilians…ok you know they are. It’s a tried and true russian “war” tactic. They are also stealing children and taking them to families in rural Russia in order to russify them. That is a war crime and a very definition of genocide. They’ve stated over and over that Ukraine is not a real country and the language is not real. Erasing a culture like that is also a definition of genocide. 30,000+ children murdered in locations no where near a contested front line. Defending that is disgusting.

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                    Not deliberately bombing civilians…ok you know they are[1]. It’s a tried and true russian “war” tactic. They are also stealing children[2] and taking them to families in rural Russia in order to russify them[3]. That is a war crime and a very definition of genocide. They’ve stated over and over that Ukraine is not a real country[4] and the language is not real. Erasing a culture like that is also a definition of genocide. 30,000+ children murdered in locations no where near a contested front line[5]. Defending that is disgusting.


                    1. citation needed ↩︎

                    2. citation needed ↩︎

                    3. citation needed ↩︎

                    4. citation needed, (saying that Ukraine only became an independent country when the USSR created the Ukrainian SSR is not saying that Ukraine is not real, it is stating a fact) ↩︎

                    5. citation needed ↩︎

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                    And you are all going late. The way you guys are absolutely incapable of arguing with anyone who doesn’t parrot the status quo media’s cant tells me you’d be much better off back on reddit, your natural habitat, so to speak.

                    Do you realize that I never once said that I advocated the invasion of Ukraine? That I simply stated that the situation has NOTHING to do with Palestine? Your mind has been so corroded by ideology that you cannot tolerate anyone even slightly disagreeing with your narrative.

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                Sounds like the DNC primaries didn’t produce a candidate that was sufficiently popular with all the major factions of the Democrat voter base. I wonder what the solution to that could be. Guess we’ll never know since people like you refuse to have that conversation.

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                  Technically the DNC candidate was more popular than the RNC one, but years of voter suppression perpetrated by the right wing over the past few decades prevented said candidate from attaining office

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          There’s a very good chance…

          This is how you know you have brain worms. Biden has to keep the Jewish liberal vote so he’s supporting Israel. He also needs congress to fund ukraine which they won’t do without also funding Israel.

          If anything, Biden turns his back on bibi as soon as the election is over and throws him to the wolves. Netanyahu is doing everything he can to get trump elected.

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            Biden has to keep the Jewish liberal vote so he’s supporting Israel.

            When you say this while telling me I have brain worms it’s easy for me to come to the conclusion you think the desires of Jewish liberals are more important than mine.

            And while that’s certainly your prerogative I have zero motivation to cater to it.

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          He needs liberal jews and lapsed Republicans that support israel in November.

          The big funding packages that he signed were part and parcel with deals to fund ukraine.

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            He needs liberal jews and lapsed Republicans that support israel in November.

            Yet here you are attacking us. We can only conclude you believe their opinions are more important than ours.

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              I’m not attacking you. I’m saying as bad as Biden is for Palestinians, Trump is will be 1000x worse. I can’t believe that’s so hard for people to understand.