Felons should be allowed to vote for the felon if they want.
Because they should be allowed to vote in general, or because felons should only be allowed to vote for other felons?
Felons together strong.
One big happy felony.
Same should go for voting. Felons deserve to vote as well not just run for presidency.
Prisoners deserve to vote
I agree, but we all know the state and landlords won’t do that. It’s us vs the rich. The rich want the poor to be good brainwashed workers, and if you did anything the state said is now illegal (being homeless) then you deserve zero of your constitutional rights!
Just dumb founding that Trump can just walk around freely and raise more money from his crimes, and yet people are arrested for shoplifting needed supplies, and squater’s rights are removed on empty yet perfectly fine private property.
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Felon = already shown they aren’t normal human beings fit for society. I’m not going to trust my property to a known criminal, when I can easily get someone who’s normal.
Eh. That itself is a slippery issue, especially for the wrongfully convicted. Not to mention, if they do their time, they should no longer be punished.
There’s only a very small minority of truly heinous humans who should be locked away forever.
I genuinely don’t care. If I have the choice between felon and a not felon, I’ll go with the not felon every day. It’s the easiest choice I’ll make in my life.
If they didn’t want to deal with the issues caused by being a felon, they should not have committed felonies. Simple as.
Okay, yeah, fuck off with your bullshit.
Our system is stupid, and you can’t recognize that, because you’re probably equally so.
Until you understand that our justice system is beyond flawed and systemically problematic, your opinion should be considered less than dirt.
Vast majority of people manage to not become felons by not committing felonies
Out of lm the people who are convicted felons, I don’t think I’m wrong thinking those who are wrongly convicted are an insignificant minority
Sucks to be them, but I won’t try my luck on the absolute minimal off chance they weren’t a criminal.
If you don’t want to deal with the baggage that comes with being a felon, don’t commit felonies. It’s not hard, plenty of people manage to do it.
I filter potential tenants and it’s served me well. I never had to do huge repairs or anything on any of my rentals.
Most of my idealistic buddies who believe they operate a charity can’t say the same.
Damn, reading this comment chain I kept thinking you couldn’t be worse and each response you amaze me. You’re an asshole and imo you’re likely doing more harm to society than felons who make it out and just want to find work and shelter. Have some empathy
They are a landlord, why would you expect them to be anything but this?
That is, if this person isn’t just making that up, and isn’t just some edgy loser on the internet.
Sorry, I’m not willing to house rapists, murderers and pedophiles. Feel free to invest a significant portion of your time and money to do so if you wish to. Tell me how it goes for you.
Actually don’t, I’ve seen what happens when people do.
Even whistleblower are considered felons in some places. Guess they’re same as murderers in your fucked up eyes.
Ah yes, because one guy out of a million might not deserve it, I should seek to house rapists, murderers and pedophiles.
Y’all have a strange sense of priorities.
Look, don’t be a felon. It’s not hard. Plenty of people are not.
For trusting the lying broken system that wonderfully convicted literally myself, YOU are not fit for society. You see everything that is happening and you still have blind faith in authority? What a fuckup. People like you are downright dangerous.
I don’t have blind faith in it, I’m sure there are some people who don’t deserve it.
However, I’m also sure they’re an insignificant minority. I’m not going to lose sleep over you thinking I should give drug dealers, rapists, murderers and pedophiles a thought on the 0.0000001% chance one of them was wrongfully convicted.
I’m sure that makes me a dangerous person, far more dangerous than drug dealers, rapists, murderers and pedophiles lmao.
Wrong again. I’m not an insignificant minority. My case is standard procedure and they make that VERY clear. They use stories and words like 'pedophile ’ and ‘murderer’ to make people like you forget about looking any closer. You believe the charge simply because they say so and their victims get zero support that way. Labels are meant for handling people. Putting a label on someone is announcing how they should be treated.
You’re a monster who supports monsters.
Sucks to be you, but I don’t see why I should jeopardize my investment because of one or two edge cases out of a million.
I’m not going to investigate the criminal history of every single felon when there’s perfectly fine non-felons hanging around looking to rent a place.
It’s basic common sense.
Kind of like when you’re choosing between two people to hire, they’re equal in all and every thing, except one of them has full face gangsta tattoos. Guess who gets the job?
It doesn’t suck to be me. It sucks to live in a world with people like you. I’m not an edge case. I was picked up and slapped with fake charges because I was caught living in my car and therefore not funding the owner class. I’m not an edge case. This is standard practice. We have the absolute highest incarceration rate because they’re profiteering from it and even worse, they’re attacking their political opposition.
The face full of gangster tattoos is dramatically more telling than a criminal record. The criminal record is much more likely to be fake. The face tattoos are a self announcement. Tell me though, what do you do when the tattoo guy says he was forced to get them?
I do understand that it’s difficult and impractical to vet people without an external reference, but the United States “criminal justice system” is an absolute garbage external reference.
Worth noting here that I’m not defending Trump if that needs said.
Again, sucks to be you, but when I put my place up for rent and there is a felon in the applications, opposed to 10 non felons, it goes right in the bin.
Feel free to invest your time, money and effort into buying a place, fixing it up and renting it to fellow felons if you’re so inclined.
Tell me how it goes.
That’s a free-rider problem. As an individual, you don’t want to rent to a convicted criminal. But as a society, we want criminals that served their time to be able to rent, because if they can’t they’ll be forced to squat, which will increase the probability they’ll continue to do more crimes (they already broke the law by squatting), so we do want people to rent to them.
If society wants to host convicted felons then society can pay for it.
I’ll be more than willing to host them if I am guaranteed the refund of any and all damage they create, and the ability to remove them from my property whenever I want.
In the meantime, as long as I’m on the hook for damages caused by a bad tenant and I don’t have the legal right to evict a bad tenant on a moment’s notice, then I will filter out convicted felons, and other risky tenants.
It’s easy to say ‘you should do this thing’ when you have no skin in the game.
You have no skin in the game. You’re literally a rent seeker. Get fucked Mr Lord and then everyone else can afford to buy houses and maintain their own space again.
I have skin in the game. These places I rent didn’t fall on my lap. I work hard to afford them and I am on the hook if someone trashed the place or just decided to stop paying rent.
All the apartments I bought to rent were available on the same market everyone else had access to.
In fact, I specifically seek out places that have been on the market for so long I can massively lowball the seller and get away with it. If I can do it, you can do it too.
The key though, is to actually work towards a goal instead of mindlessly flipping burgers for $7 an hour.
You don’t work. You play with the kind of money that even a QA manager like myself will never have. Only the people who own the business get that money because you’re all leeches who grant yourself the ability to decide who gets what.
Watch your back.
Lmao I wish I didn’t work, I’d love to get the 48 hours I spent at the mill last week back.
Maybe get a job that pays better.
Improve your life instead of bitching at the people who do.
If you’re a qa manager, you should be making enough money to afford a reasonable place at a reasonable cost. The fact you can’t tells me everything I need to know about you.
Don’t need to watch my back when lazy mfs like you are the threat.
Edit: lmao bro posts in porn subs.
How about if a person successfully and fully completes their sentence associated with the felony(s) that they were charged with the felony is removed from their record.
We as a country have decided that certain punishments are meted out for certain crimes. If the person serves the punishment that we the people have decided is appropriate then why are they still saddled with the sentence of their former crime after the punishment is served?
Reductio ad absurdum: Felony conviction for child molestation. Removed from record. Should they have free reign to be able to apply for any job, even if it might involve children?
You are talking about the conviction, I am talking about the punishment. We the people of this country decide what the punishments are for crimes.
So in the case of a murder conviction it maybe decided that this person has to be incarcerated for 20 years. They do their time and released. They did the punishment We decided as appropriate for the crime. They are done.
In your example again We the people get to decide the punishment. It could be (and probably is) part of the punishment that a convicted child molester can never have a job working with people under a certain age. Maybe in this case the punishment can never fully be carried out so they always carry the moniker of felon/child molester.
All I’m saying is that for those crimes that have a definitive start and end point for the punishment there should be a qualifying start and end point for the title of felon.
I find your distinction to be arbitrary. You could argue that punishment for child sex abuse should have a beginning and an end, or you can argue that the punishment for a felony conviction does not end when you get out of prison.
I work in finance, and I certainly would not want to bring on someone who was convicted of felony security fraud working for the firm, because it ours everything in jeopardy.
I’m not arguing how we punish people I’m arguing why do we punish people What’s the point of putting a person in jail or prison for some length of time if, when the get out they are still saddled with their crime?
So I go back to my question…does a convicted child molester finish their jail sentence and the can go and work around children? Or do we also accept that maybe, even after the person has finished their sentence, that the “punishment” continues to protect society?
If the latter, then the question becomes when this is appropriate, and not if it is ever appropriate.
Yes. Go back to my previous post I mention that in some cases maybe the punishment never ends due to the crime committed. But not all crimes deserve life long punishment. But I’m not arguing sentencing guidelines really, What I want to know is if someone is convicted of a felony, completes the punishment given to them, should they still be called a felon?
So the current position is that felony convictions stay on your record forever and individuals can decide whether or not to do business with these people.
You’re saying that the current system is bad…but only for some crimes.
I’m pointing out that your argument as to why is arbitrary… Just “what we decide” as a society, and the current decision is that felonies, no matter what, stick around.
why do we punish people
Hey, listen, I’m all for not punishing people and instead letting the victim take vengeance as they deem appropriate. It doesn’t warm my heart that the drunk driver that ran over my grandma got 5 years parole, I’d much rather carve out various parts of the fucker, cook them, make him eat them, and then force him to guess what part he ate. But violence is a state-controlled monopoly, and the state gets pissy when others realize monopolies are destroying the market and bring only downsides to us regular buyers.
Also, some shithead said at some point “an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind” without realizing that once we finish the initial “eye for an eye” scenario justice has been met and we don’t need to continue ad infinitum, and for some reason a bunch of cretins who want to hold onto their eyes agreed with him and now Hammurabi would shit upon our flawed society and its insane rules.
As an aside, I was looking into Hammurabi’s code of laws while writing this, and the man seems to have been both just and metal as fuck. Here are some snippets I’d prefer to live my life by:
If a man breaks into a house, they shall kill him and hang him(?) in front of that very breach. (21)[80]
Like, fuck yeah - fuck around, find out.
If a man accuses another man and charges him with homicide, but cannot bring proof against him, his accuser shall be killed. (1)
More of the same, yes please.
If a man has a debt lodged against him, and the storm-god Adad devastates his field or a flood sweeps away the crops, or there is no grain grown in the field due to insufficient water—in that year he will not repay grain to his creditor; he shall suspend performance of his contract [literally “wet his clay tablet”] and he will not give interest payments for that year
Pay your insurance premium? No thanks, I don’t need it, it’s included in THE FUCKING LAW.
If a builder constructs a house for a man but does not make it conform to specifications so that a wall then buckles, that builder shall make that wall sound using his own silver. (233)[85]
Great. Fuck civil court where the builder’s army of lawyers can bully my $5/h law student cause that’s all I can afford while also rebuilding my house
If an ox gores to death a man while it is passing through the streets, that case has no basis for a claim. (250)
Fair. Why the fuck are you next to the goddamn ox, dipshit?
If a slave should declare to his master, “You are not my master”, he [the master] shall bring charge and proof against him that he is indeed his slave, and his master shall cut off his ear.
Yeah maybe some of them need some work, but fuck if most aren’t perfectly reasonable.
Yes. Why wouldn’t they? By the same logic, people who killed somebody shouldn’t be allowed to interact with people, and arsonists shouldn’t be allowed in buildings.
Felonies for me, not for thee
Oh, we’re keeping the box—as a requirement for the job, not a disqualification.
Sounds good. And Congress should be paid minimum wage (meaning that minimum wage needs to be raised).
That would make it so that 1) only independently wealthy people make up congress and/or 2) congress would be highly susceptible to bribery.
I kind of wish that people could vote on their wages though. Like instead of congress just voting to give themselves a raise, each congress person needed to present on why they would deserve it which is then voted on by the public.
Do we have more than a couple people in Congress that were not already rich when they started running their campaign?
Please read where I said minimum wage needs to be raised.
I agree that minimum wage should be raised and should provide a basic standard of living.
I worry that if the wage isn’t an attractor or the same skills have significantly higher value in the private sector, then the right people will be less likely to want to do it. And not out of selfishness, but out of wanting to provide more than the basic standard of living for their family.
It’s hard to justify passion work even if it pays livable wages (which an increased minimum wage should) if you might work fewer hours for more money and have more time to spend with your family.
Fuck yes
