tl;dr: The CEO said he was pro-Trump and he didn’t like the shooting. Certainly not a smart thing to say but not entirely bad, right? Well, he said it to the all the customers via their mailing list.
People are terrified to admit they support Trump.
This really is terrible. People should be allowed to support rapists in positions of authority without fear of being judged. We should all try to be more like the pope.
If you wanna support Trump, go for it. But don’t be surprised when you admit it, and your orders drop off a cliff.
Freedom of speech 100% does not protect you from the consequences.
Shame too, I liked their Mule Sauce but it is easily replaced by any other brand.
Free Speech: https://xkcd.com/1357/
the government can’t arrest you for what you say
That comic will be a quaint relic if a Republican gets back in power.
Calling someone a racist for refusing to provide service to a black person is hate speech, punishable by 5 years of prison with mandatory prison labor.
What’s actually going on is a little bit more subtle, I think.
The people supporting him mostly don’t know he’s a rapist. They don’t know he wants to throw his opponents in prison or kill them. All they see is this incredible opposition to him from people they know, and it just confuses them, because the news they consume doesn’t tell them any of that. And so, they don’t know what the big deal is, and so they just don’t talk about it and plan to vote for Trump sort of quietly.
And, human nature being what it is, if it does come up in conversation, everyone talking to this guy assumes the underlying picture in everyone else’s head is equal to the picture in their own, and so of course this person is already aware that Trump’s a criminal rapist treasonous shitbag who’s dumber than rocks, and just supports him anyway, and so they react with arguing and hostility instead of doing the much harder work of building a shared understanding and engaging in a dialogue that they know isn’t going to resolve into anyone’s mind changing on the first day.
It’s easy to decide that someone’s fully aware of the facts and they’re just a huge piece of shit with how they reach judgements off the same facts you have, and you need to yell at them. That’s rarely how it works though (although, sometimes, yes.) The much more difficult and more successful path is to understand where they’re coming from and how they got to their wrong judgement, and try to work with them to help understand things better even if they’re being hostile or what they currently think is wrong as hell.
This is my opinion on it
They know and don’t care. And even if they’re in denial, they continue to deny, despite being proven over and over again. They call it fake news, deep fakes, or just flat out say [a thing that happened] just never happened.
Just watch anything from Pretty Little Liars or Daily Show etc. interviews with people at his rallies.
I think there’s a difference between knowing but not caring and not believing it. I know plenty of people who support Trump despite his awful history but I also know plenty more who thinks all the bad press is a lie.
This doesn’t absolve them in any way but you’re not gonna change anyone’s mind in the latter camp by telling them “you know he’s bad, you just don’t care”. And before you say it’s not worth trying, I successfully convinced two different coworkers who voted Trump in 2016 to actually look into the accusations and both voted 3rd party in 2020
I don’t think ignorance is much of an excuse in the US in 2024. You can just go read wikipedia and its sources.
At this point for anyone older than like 15 it’s willful. It’s a willful desire to stay in the comfort of your in-group rather than deal with the negative feelings that come from “Are we the baddies?”
I think you underestimate HOW prominently the idea “every other media is maliciously lying to you” features in conservative media
Ignorance is not (just) lack of notions, it is lack of method, it is not having the tools to analyze the notions. You don’t learn that on Wikipedia.
It was very upsetting to me and at the same time very enlightening when I had a long argument with a Trump supporter and realized he literally didn’t have the critical thinking tools to even analyze a source, see if it had self-contradictions, compare what it was saying against verifiable things and see if it was trustworthy. For him it was either “this thing is gospel” or else “everything is chaos and nothing is true and the world is a maelstrom of hopeless lies,” and he was choosing option A.
I think it’s a bit more cut and dry. This late in the game, nobody that’s going to vote doesn’t already know about Trump and all of his controversies. Whether or not they get the facts from the news they consume, they’ve already been confronted with the ugly truth in some way at some point.
If they are still “not aware” that he’s a rapist, a violence proliferator, a traitor, or a fucking idiot, it just proves they are WILLFULLY ignorant. Which is no excuse.
They don’t get a free pass just because they actively ignore facts. It’s safe to assume they support Trump over literally anyone else specifically because he has these evil qualities.
Pre January 6th tolerating their personal delusion was dangerous but still somewhat tolerable. Post January 6th they are an imminent danger to themselves and everyone else.
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The corporate mass media has turned them into martyrs for many of these people. They largely obscured the truth opting for sensationalism and pedaling bias confirmation. To willing addicts Restless for their next fix. Last reality come bleeding back in and they be forced to face it.
There were monsters in Nazi germany. Many of the average citizens were not monsters themselves. But it’s still amazing the atrocities a person can commit. When manipulated this way. If you were ever one of those people that wondered how normal people could do with the Nazis did. We are all starting to understand far too well.
I got into a discussion about wilful ignorance and the right with my girlfriend a couple months ago. Me calling them wilful ignorant was my compromise cause at this point the facts are out there and there’s no good reason to vote for him beyond you being evil. It’s extremely easy to fact check those facts you hear about the guy you wanna vote for.
My fiancé was on the phone with her mother yesterday, explaining Project 2025 to her, and her mother literally said, “Oh, Trump wouldn’t go along with all that. He used to be a Democrat, so he’s petty liberal for a Republican.”
If you decide to not use StickerMule again, as the org I’m part of now has, I’d suggest that rather than simply not using them to login to your SM account, then contact them via their Support interface and ask them to remove your account and all data associated with it or direct them to tell you how you can do it yourself and end by telling them exactly why.
That is an excellent suggestion and sends a very potent and direct message that will be a lot harder to hand wave away. Chances are they’ll still try but it will make it harder on them.
I did this as soon as they posted the tweet. They didn’t even bother telling me they had done it or acknowledge my message and I just had to try logging in to make sure it actually got deleted. The complete lack of communication makes me even more glad to never give them business again.
I unsubscribed from marketing emails right away, but this is a good idea.
"The more people realize that kind-hearted, compassionate people support Trump, the sooner the hate will end.”
How can any kindhearted compassionate people ever support a bully like trump?!
That’s just physically impossible. Trump is not compassionate, nor kind-hearted.
Corporate mass media does make it possible. There’s still plenty of blame on their part for lacking the interest or critical thinking skills to understand why other people are upset. But it is a thing that can exist. That doesn’t make it acceptable.
But short of returning the media to a pre 1980 state. Which was still wildly imperfect and heavily propagandized. There isn’t a peaceful or obvious solution to this.
kind-hearted, compassionate people support Trump
Forget about the content. If any company spam text/emails me about any political bullshit I’ll ban/boycott them just for wasting my fucking time. Fuck spammers.
I won’t be going back.
I knew nothing about them before this. But I have a number of friends who are independent creators. And this was one of the more talked about thing for the last several days. One of them had never used the company and never will. And the rest have already found less fascist alternatives. So you aren’t alone. I feel kind of bad for their non-fascist employees if they actually exist. And I wish them luck on their future fash free endeavors.
I’m open to alternative options. Sticker Mule made great stickers, but is apparently a fundamentally anti democratic organization under the hood and willing to put Project 2025 in place to destroy the Republic.
Where should I take my business now?
I’ll give them a look.
There are likely alternatives.
What’s funny is they want to implement P2025, which will bankrupt the middle class, and therefore their entire business will collapse.
Yeah, but what do the fatcats care? They’ll have already bailed with their golden parachutes.
I’ve used https://www.redbubble.com/ in the past.
I’ve seen that name before, but didn’t recall them as a sticker maker. I’ll check them out. Thank you.
Maybe they don’t print custom on demand. But it’s a bit of a sticker / print market
Here’s a couple of photos from 2005 found on the CEO’s public Flickr page:
The CEO is the guy in the middle in the left photo. The photo on the right was taken the same night, possibly by the CEO, but certainly uploaded by him. At the very least he had no problem with posting it publicly, and has decided not to remove it over the years.
It’s always projection and a persecution complex. “Stop the insane political hate! I feel endangered! Sieg heil.”
It’s always the guys looking like they’d board the Auschwitz trains first who want to be Nazis nowadays.
Where are they in these photos?
As mentioned below the photo:
The CEO is the guy in the middle in the left photo. The photo on the right was taken the same night, possibly by the CEO, but certainly uploaded by him. At the very least he had no problem with posting it publicly, and has decided not to remove it over the years.
As of now, finding the Flickr page is as simple as searching for “CEO NAME Flickr”. His name is in the OP article and easily found elsewhere online by searching sticker mule ceo.
Why are people not saying his name?
Anthony Constantino. The CEO of Stickermule, who abused a company mailing list to spread Pro-Trump propaganda and who has left up a photo of his friends doing a Nazi salute on his personal Flickr account, is Anthony Constantino.
I agree. And I’d like to explain myself…
Personally, I err on the side of always trying to protect myself and my family from fascists (especially monied ones with lawyers and connections). This is even more vital when shining a light on things they probably don’t want people to see. That’s why, in this case, I’m being careful.
His name is out there and anyone can find it. I’m happy to explain how to find it, but in this case I’m just playing it safe by not repeating it myself… for whatever good it’ll do me.
Yeah if fascists harass me for spreading the name of a public figure, they would sooner harass me for tons of other shit. They’re a menace to society who should not be respected or tolerated, exactly because they do not respect or tolerate benign differences.
I understand why you might not want to give them any reason to pay attention to you, but I’d prefer if we all spoke out against them, together, and constantly.
I agree with you. I am not the most courageous person; Far from it, in fact. In this case my fear is winning. I have more to lose now than I did 20 years ago, and more people who depend on me. Thank you for your understanding.
For now I do what I can, and I hope I can count on others to help spread the word, maybe make a scene, agitate a bit. A couple of people have posted that image to sticker mule’s twitter account, some of which have been removed or hidden by “the algorithm”, supposedly. But it would be nice to see more people spreading the photos, more people asking questions. Their instagram, their facebook, wherever. Put it in the face of these neo-fascists and let them publicly defend the CEO then. But I bet they won’t. They seem even more cowardly at heart than I am.
It’s not cowardly to act in the interest of the safety of those you love. It’s only cowardly to throw people under the bus in order to achieve that end. Those of us with less responsibility for the safety of others will still speak out. Thank you for still doing what you can.
I think they meant the location at which the photo was taken and not their positions within the photo?
Yep! I’m an idiot :)
Goddammit. I walked right into that.
Let me rephrase… Ahh nevermind. I’ll just assume they were at a grocery store or behind a Denny’s.
I’m sorry! I totally misunderstood you. It looks to me like they were in Washington DC but I am no geoguessr expert. There are a lot more photos from the night on the Flickr page.
ETA: Almost certainly DC. And upon further research, one of the guys in right photo may very well be his brother (a co-founder who has since left the company).
“People are terrified to admit they support Trump,” the email read. “I’ve been scared myself.”
Now you know how Democrats feel in red states. How likely do you think it is that a Democrat is going to physically hurt you for your beliefs?
It’s the way he used the assassination attempt to endorse Trump. To try and balance things he mentions some people on his staff support Biden but overwhelmingly the letter read as a political endorsement and beforehand they were known as a neutral and reliable business. I have a business and politics are not a part of our marketing, it’s too sensitive of a subject.
They were a known Trump supporting business back in 2016. This isn’t the first time they’ve aired their political opinions.
The CEO is a right wing trump worshiper.
Dig into the company’s tweet history, and find archived tweets that were deleted for PR/white-washing reasons.
Long history of this stuff.
“The more people realize that kind-hearted, compassionate people support Trump, the sooner the hate will end.”
Kind-hearted? Compassionate? Maybe two or three in the US that have been totally off the grid fro the last eight years or so.
No one who votes for Trump is kind. No one who votes for Trump is patriotic. No one who votes for Trump is pro-military/veterans.
No one who votes for Trump is worth a shit.
Gross.
I never heard of them before. Won’t be patronizing them now that I have. That’s actual Bad Publicity, so it exists.
The market will decide. If they lose sales then maybe they will kick the CEO to the curb. Money talks.
Glad I just stole some vectors from them. I unsubscribed from their emails before this because they were already insufferable.
