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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17793163

It’s unbelievable how vocal the minority of conservatives on reddit have suddenly gotten in the one sub where a large demographic of important voters often interact. Hmmm. Coincidence?

    • yggstyle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      This is simply the reality of what division brings. The second it becomes less about discussion and more about us vs them the topics stop mattering. Discussion breaks down and you have yet another rift our society - regardless of how many people probably are at neither extreme. Anyone with moderate ideals or somewhere in between is ultimately forced to one side or the other … or trampled by both. It’s a disgusting degradation of a culture/society that despite being more connected than ever is finding more and more ways to isolate everyone.

      Good on you for speaking up on what you believe. It sucks sometimes but it’s better to put the words out there.

    • TheObviousSolution@lemm.eeEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Part of the troll factory tactic is to make it a morally grey zone, because they know they have the money and the numbers to materialize it. Indiscriminately doing this is helping them in their effort to lower the information to noise ratio and make their efforts more indistinguishable from “the other side’s” turning it into a “well, they would do it too, if they were as successful and had as much money and resources as us” argument.

      • yggstyle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        I’m aware of this tactic. There are a few well documented systems that work very efficiently at splintering groups. The problem with labeling any conversation that falls into the grey area, like it or not, is actually alienating the vast majority of nonpolarized viewpoints. Either you fall in line with faction a or b or you are the enemy of both. Political parties have used this effectively for decades. You beat the majority by splitting them into subfactions. This thread and topic is a spectacular demonstration of the result.

        • TheObviousSolution@lemm.eeEnglish
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          4 months ago

          Doesn’t matter, if a conversation is likely to influence someone, then that makes it the ideal target for a troll factory. Troll factories also don’t just influence one side, they influence any “factions” people might crowd in. The most straightforward solution is eliminating high noise-to-signal ratios, in other words, misinformation and disinformation, and being transparent about it.But that will never be effective against people who just don’t care about the noise-to-signal ratio and just care about the information that satisfies their ego. It will never be effective against cults.

          There’s a reason we need to filter out spam, and there’s a reason we need to filter out disinformation and misinformation, it isn’t just factions, but yes, it will necessarily devolve conversations into factions because some of them just don’t curate the quality of their information.