• EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml
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      4 months ago

      You are trying to claim there can be no progress unless we elect enough Democrats, that’s happened before and all we’ve gotten is crumbs.

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        4 months ago

        And when we don’t elect enough Democrats we don’t even get crumbs. What’s your point?

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          4 months ago

          And it’s fear of losing your crumbs why people will never find their proverbial balls and do what’s right for people and society

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            4 months ago

            Easier to do what’s right when you’ve got crumbs to nibble on than when you’re starving. Accelerationism is a deranged and wildly privileged alternative.

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              4 months ago

              Liberals have somehow convinced themselves that a slow death via poisoning is somehow better than a fast death via poisoning. The prolonged agony of society because of that poison continues to poison generation after generation.

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                Slow death buys time for other action, it’s objectively better. No one’s saying you’re not allowed to take other actions too. They’ll be harder to enact under P2025, it’s a no brainer.

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                  People have been saying it buys time for generations, buys time and what we have gained? Gained no more progress for civil rights and labor rights and wage rights and housing rights and healthcare rights. For the last hundred years we’ve been having the same conversations about these inequalities for several generations. And we will have these same conversations for the next few generations because we are getting nowhere because people have convinced themselves that they are buying time with a slow poison.

                  Harm reduction and buying time relies on a hypothetical worse future, so you don’t spend time concerned about the horrible present. Keeping you always asking for the potential of something better later instead of demanding a better now

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                    No one’s saying you’re not allowed to take other actions too. They’ll be harder to enact under P2025

                    For the last hundred years every advance we have made was under one party, and the worst of the steps back were made under the other. Real change is made from the ground up, voting isn’t sufficient, but it is necessary. It’s like you refuse to acknowledge the basic logic.

                    I’m not saying you’re a troll trying to split leftists away from the democratic candidate so the fascists can win, but if you were, how would your talking points be different?