Right, because I learned all this yesterday. I’m the one with a comment that’s downplaying how bad this is. You are explaining to me why a dozen people felt that brushing aside this latest horror deserved blunt objection.
Totally my fault for saying this known fascist “barely mentioned” the end of democracy, in what was surely just extemporaneous regurgitation of what his inner circle constantly floats. I shouldn’t have called people flipping the fuck out, over that actionable threat to the entire country, “milking it.” Glibly blaming “media” is a common dog-whistle and must be why people are “hell-bent on interpreting” shitheel beliefs, as surely as dismissing their plain-English reading of my own words as twisting them through dishonest motivation, by saying they’re “hell-bent” on that “worst possible light.” All made worse by complaining people “make assumptions” by responding directly to my stated beliefs.
I meant something else entirely and used all the wrong words.
I wasn’t downplaying anything, after everything discussed, you still insist that I somehow don’t care about what he said.
I would also not complain if people engaged in good faith and were trying to politely convince me that I’m somehow wrong. But instead it was just assumptions and insults. Yes, I’m absolutely not in the wrong for stating my reasonable, but perhaps controversial opinion. It’s the people who attack and be rude who are in the wrong.
But anyway, while we were arguing here media has already moved on to another thing, so all good here. Apparently, he said something like “criminals are criminals”.
People accurately paraphrasing the egregious parts, and telling you to stop saying that shit, is a common form of good-faith criticism. We’re not “assuming” anything. We read what you wrote. Whatever secrets you keep in your heart don’t fucking matter - we speak English, you wrote ‘he’s just blathering,’ we object. Learn something from the experience.
Saying “shut the fuck up” (even in scrambled order), “this asshole” (from another user), and even “stop saying that shit” isn’t “good-faith” criticism. Good-faith criticism is “I disagree because <reasons>”. I said absolutely nothing egregious and offended nobody. If you think you see something egregious in what I said then you misinterpreted my words.
You said people aren’t making assumptions, but there’s a couple comments in this thread who said that I’m supporting Trump. Others, like you, insist that I’m downplaying it and don’t care that he’s a fascist, which I have neither said nor implied. There’s of course a couple reasonable responses, too.
Now, one last attempt to put the record straight. Yes, I still think he stumbled into saying it accidentally. By that I DON’T mean he isn’t thinking it or doesn’t mean to do it. I only mean that we should be focusing on more concrete terrible things that he has said and done, of which there are plenty. Media has run with this specific event for so long only because it’s easy to sensationalize due to the way they report it, it seems like he stated it clearly and deliberately. Because that’s what I thought when I was seeing all the news and thought “damn, did he just straight up said that? has he become that bold”. Then I watched the actual video and saw that he just kinda walked himself into blabbering it and played it off as a joke.
If a person on the fence will see these the news, go check the actual video, see that it’s blown out of proportion they might ignore the future criticisms of Trump. And media caused that for a couple extra views.
Anyway, I don’t intend to continue this empty discussion. I’ll just leave you (general you) with an advice to not put words into people’s mouths, and not to insult/attack people you don’t know. We will all benefit from it. Cheers.
I said absolutely nothing egregious and offended nobody.
YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED.
The words you wrote are wrong, actually. You are clutching your pearls as though half a dozen people telling you why and how, in fucking detail, must be completely mistaken, and also dishonest, and also faking it. Fuck you. If you’re not trolling then it’s really goddamn difficult to discern your behavior from that of a deliberately infuriating liar. You can take that feedback and learn from it, or you can continue to be bewildered the next time everybody acts like the words you say are the wrong fucking words.
I really felt the need to respond, but I promise this is the last one this time.
Goof faith means that you make an honest attempt at understand what a person is telling you and if you disagree try to change their opinion with arguments. Saying “shut the fuck up” on your first comment does not fit into that picture.
If somebody gets offended by what you said doesn’t mean that the statement is offensive. It’s ultimately subjective, yes, but if we were to label things, then it’s decided by a general consensus. If I, for example, tell a Christian that I don’t believe in their God and they get offended my statement doesn’t become offensive, it’s on them for getting offended. With that in mind, nothing I said in my original comment would be considered offensive by a rational person.
I’m yet to see how what I said was wrong. Let me do a brief rundown of the responses:
A couple of “let’s move on from fascist rhetoric” and “fascist complacency”.
I have already shown that this is a misinterpretation in my previous comment to you.
“That’s how you get fascist regimes.”
You don’t get fascist regimes for holding the media accountable. But again, misinterpretation.
One person calling me an asshole twice, implying that I support Trump and am saying that we shouldn’t care that he said that.
Just an attack based on some assumptions.
Your comment about brain worms.
Honestly, I’m not even fully sure what exactly you meant, but I’m guessing you’re implying that I’m trolling? Which I’m not, as you can see from my rational explanation from the previous comment. Not trolling, not lying. Just don’t like when the media cries wolf for views and then desensitizes people to real issues.
In conclusion, nobody interpreted my words correctly and thus can’t be telling me that what I was trying to say is incorrect, and few really tried. Perhaps I should have been more clear from the get-go, I just assumed that people would understand what I meant. But my previous comment should clear everything up.
And I’m not defending myself here. I’m just trying to get people be more understanding and less reactionary. I have higher standards for Lemmy than I have for Reddit and the rest of the social platforms. But that might be the hopeless romantics/optimist in me. I’ll learn from this and lower my standards.
“If we ignore everyone explaining the unavoidable meaning of my own words, it must be their fault they object to what I said and how I defend it, and also I’m not defending it, and also also I’m lowering my expectations because you’re all so stupid.”
“And I couldn’t figure out who had brain worms in your one-sentence reply with one subject.”
Right, because I learned all this yesterday. I’m the one with a comment that’s downplaying how bad this is. You are explaining to me why a dozen people felt that brushing aside this latest horror deserved blunt objection.
Totally my fault for saying this known fascist “barely mentioned” the end of democracy, in what was surely just extemporaneous regurgitation of what his inner circle constantly floats. I shouldn’t have called people flipping the fuck out, over that actionable threat to the entire country, “milking it.” Glibly blaming “media” is a common dog-whistle and must be why people are “hell-bent on interpreting” shitheel beliefs, as surely as dismissing their plain-English reading of my own words as twisting them through dishonest motivation, by saying they’re “hell-bent” on that “worst possible light.” All made worse by complaining people “make assumptions” by responding directly to my stated beliefs.
I meant something else entirely and used all the wrong words.
My bad.
I wasn’t downplaying anything, after everything discussed, you still insist that I somehow don’t care about what he said.
I would also not complain if people engaged in good faith and were trying to politely convince me that I’m somehow wrong. But instead it was just assumptions and insults. Yes, I’m absolutely not in the wrong for stating my reasonable, but perhaps controversial opinion. It’s the people who attack and be rude who are in the wrong.
But anyway, while we were arguing here media has already moved on to another thing, so all good here. Apparently, he said something like “criminals are criminals”.
I am telling you what you explicitly wrote.
This is what those words mean.
People accurately paraphrasing the egregious parts, and telling you to stop saying that shit, is a common form of good-faith criticism. We’re not “assuming” anything. We read what you wrote. Whatever secrets you keep in your heart don’t fucking matter - we speak English, you wrote ‘he’s just blathering,’ we object. Learn something from the experience.
Saying “shut the fuck up” (even in scrambled order), “this asshole” (from another user), and even “stop saying that shit” isn’t “good-faith” criticism. Good-faith criticism is “I disagree because <reasons>”. I said absolutely nothing egregious and offended nobody. If you think you see something egregious in what I said then you misinterpreted my words.
You said people aren’t making assumptions, but there’s a couple comments in this thread who said that I’m supporting Trump. Others, like you, insist that I’m downplaying it and don’t care that he’s a fascist, which I have neither said nor implied. There’s of course a couple reasonable responses, too.
Now, one last attempt to put the record straight. Yes, I still think he stumbled into saying it accidentally. By that I DON’T mean he isn’t thinking it or doesn’t mean to do it. I only mean that we should be focusing on more concrete terrible things that he has said and done, of which there are plenty. Media has run with this specific event for so long only because it’s easy to sensationalize due to the way they report it, it seems like he stated it clearly and deliberately. Because that’s what I thought when I was seeing all the news and thought “damn, did he just straight up said that? has he become that bold”. Then I watched the actual video and saw that he just kinda walked himself into blabbering it and played it off as a joke. If a person on the fence will see these the news, go check the actual video, see that it’s blown out of proportion they might ignore the future criticisms of Trump. And media caused that for a couple extra views.
Anyway, I don’t intend to continue this empty discussion. I’ll just leave you (general you) with an advice to not put words into people’s mouths, and not to insult/attack people you don’t know. We will all benefit from it. Cheers.
Good faith means “sincere.” Not “polite.”
YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED.
The words you wrote are wrong, actually. You are clutching your pearls as though half a dozen people telling you why and how, in fucking detail, must be completely mistaken, and also dishonest, and also faking it. Fuck you. If you’re not trolling then it’s really goddamn difficult to discern your behavior from that of a deliberately infuriating liar. You can take that feedback and learn from it, or you can continue to be bewildered the next time everybody acts like the words you say are the wrong fucking words.
I really felt the need to respond, but I promise this is the last one this time.
Goof faith means that you make an honest attempt at understand what a person is telling you and if you disagree try to change their opinion with arguments. Saying “shut the fuck up” on your first comment does not fit into that picture.
If somebody gets offended by what you said doesn’t mean that the statement is offensive. It’s ultimately subjective, yes, but if we were to label things, then it’s decided by a general consensus. If I, for example, tell a Christian that I don’t believe in their God and they get offended my statement doesn’t become offensive, it’s on them for getting offended. With that in mind, nothing I said in my original comment would be considered offensive by a rational person.
I’m yet to see how what I said was wrong. Let me do a brief rundown of the responses:
I have already shown that this is a misinterpretation in my previous comment to you.
You don’t get fascist regimes for holding the media accountable. But again, misinterpretation.
Just an attack based on some assumptions.
Honestly, I’m not even fully sure what exactly you meant, but I’m guessing you’re implying that I’m trolling? Which I’m not, as you can see from my rational explanation from the previous comment. Not trolling, not lying. Just don’t like when the media cries wolf for views and then desensitizes people to real issues.
In conclusion, nobody interpreted my words correctly and thus can’t be telling me that what I was trying to say is incorrect, and few really tried. Perhaps I should have been more clear from the get-go, I just assumed that people would understand what I meant. But my previous comment should clear everything up.
And I’m not defending myself here. I’m just trying to get people be more understanding and less reactionary. I have higher standards for Lemmy than I have for Reddit and the rest of the social platforms. But that might be the hopeless romantics/optimist in me. I’ll learn from this and lower my standards.
Have a good one!
“If we ignore everyone explaining the unavoidable meaning of my own words, it must be their fault they object to what I said and how I defend it, and also I’m not defending it, and also also I’m lowering my expectations because you’re all so stupid.”
“And I couldn’t figure out who had brain worms in your one-sentence reply with one subject.”
You are an idiot.
Good luck. Apparently nothing else will help.