Most children are successfully socialized into the culture they’re raised in. I think the usual though process is “I was hit by adults when I was a child” -> “I hit children now that I’m an adult” rather than rebellion.
“Hitting children for any reason is wrong” is an idea that only recently developed in Western culture. It isn’t universal in space or in time and without it, children still generally didn’t grow up to distrust authority or hate injustice.
(Consider a similar phenomenon in the Soviet Army: the tradition of senior conscripts abusing junior conscripts. All those senior conscripts were recently junior conscripts themselves and yet the tradition continues.)
That’s a very black-and-white way of looking at it. As children grow older, so too do their elders. Eventually the power balance (so to speak) shifts, and both the child and the elder learn who can hit harder.
Locking up parents you don’t like in a nursing home is also a recent, Western development. Generally grown children don’t seek revenge against their parents even in societies where physical violence against children is common. On the contrary, these societies usually have strong norms requiring the respect of elders.
(It’s ironic that by historical standards, Western parents treat their children exceptionally well but Western children treat their parents exceptionally poorly.)
Who said anything about a nursing home? I thought we were talking about throwing punches? Cause as I said, as each party ages, they both learn who hits harder.
Any old person that acts like they can’t catch hands, is literally asking for some to be thrown.
If you’re 20yo still taking abuse from someone three times your age, you’re not fighting hard enough for your own rights.
I hope to any and every god that may exist, that kid gets close enough to Erdogan one day, to return the favor tenfold.
I don’t know of any society where physical violence against one’s elderly parents is ever considered acceptable. A young adult is stronger than his elderly parents, but that young adult is universally forbidden to physically harm them, and this taboo is very rarely violated. (Edrogan isn’t the boy’s parent but he’s even higher up in the “respected elder” hierarchy.)
It’s pretty regular thing to beat your father if he abused you before. (Usually happens when the child is around 16). Then the child is kicked out of home. Many such stories here in Lithuania.
Both abuse cases are illegal. Throwing away from home is legal once the child is 18. Or 22 if the child is attending higher education (trade school or university)
Social standards are not the benign excuse you think they are. If someone ever hits you, you hit back. If that’s how they think you learn, then make them learn that getting hithurts, and show them why they shouldn’t be hitting.
Letting someone hit you just cause “it’s normal” is called Stockholm Syndrome, and is objectively worse than being the one that’s doing the hurting, because it teaches other people that hurting others is okay.
If you saw an adult, hitting and dragging away a child who’s fighting back with all their might at a grocery store, there’s 2 things that could be happening. A.) just a parent “disciplining” their kid, or B.) a literal kidnapping is taking place.
In your (clearly more informed) mind, it would always be scenario A, and you wouldn’t even think twice about the possibility of scenario B, “because that’s the social norm,” according to you.
I’ll say it one more time: IF YOU THROW HANDS, EXPECT TO CATCH HANDS, NO MATTER YOUR AGE, GENDER, OR FUCK ALL.
It seems like you’re talking about what you think ought to happen rather than what actually happens. I’m not saying that social standards are correct in a moral sense but rather that they do objectively exist and control most people’s behavior. Maybe the world in which people usually did fight back would be a better world than ours, but it isn’t our world.
As for your specific question about the screaming child: the chance that it’s scenario A is nearly 100%. Public kidnappings like that do happen but they’re very rare. (I think that in practice, people would ignore a woman doing it but sometimes intervene against a man doing it.)
Most children are successfully socialized into the culture they’re raised in. I think the usual though process is “I was hit by adults when I was a child” -> “I hit children now that I’m an adult” rather than rebellion.
“Hitting children for any reason is wrong” is an idea that only recently developed in Western culture. It isn’t universal in space or in time and without it, children still generally didn’t grow up to distrust authority or hate injustice.
(Consider a similar phenomenon in the Soviet Army: the tradition of senior conscripts abusing junior conscripts. All those senior conscripts were recently junior conscripts themselves and yet the tradition continues.)
That’s a very black-and-white way of looking at it. As children grow older, so too do their elders. Eventually the power balance (so to speak) shifts, and both the child and the elder learn who can hit harder.
Locking up parents you don’t like in a nursing home is also a recent, Western development. Generally grown children don’t seek revenge against their parents even in societies where physical violence against children is common. On the contrary, these societies usually have strong norms requiring the respect of elders.
(It’s ironic that by historical standards, Western parents treat their children exceptionally well but Western children treat their parents exceptionally poorly.)
Who said anything about a nursing home? I thought we were talking about throwing punches? Cause as I said, as each party ages, they both learn who hits harder.
Any old person that acts like they can’t catch hands, is literally asking for some to be thrown.
If you’re 20yo still taking abuse from someone three times your age, you’re not fighting hard enough for your own rights.
I hope to any and every god that may exist, that kid gets close enough to Erdogan one day, to return the favor tenfold.
You do understand that physical power is not the only kind of power Erdogan has? The kid is very probably never going to get stronger than him.
I don’t know of any society where physical violence against one’s elderly parents is ever considered acceptable. A young adult is stronger than his elderly parents, but that young adult is universally forbidden to physically harm them, and this taboo is very rarely violated. (Edrogan isn’t the boy’s parent but he’s even higher up in the “respected elder” hierarchy.)
It’s pretty regular thing to beat your father if he abused you before. (Usually happens when the child is around 16). Then the child is kicked out of home. Many such stories here in Lithuania.
How does the legal system respond?
Both abuse cases are illegal. Throwing away from home is legal once the child is 18. Or 22 if the child is attending higher education (trade school or university)
Social standards are not the benign excuse you think they are. If someone ever hits you, you hit back. If that’s how they think you learn, then make them learn that getting hit hurts, and show them why they shouldn’t be hitting.
Letting someone hit you just cause “it’s normal” is called Stockholm Syndrome, and is objectively worse than being the one that’s doing the hurting, because it teaches other people that hurting others is okay.
If you saw an adult, hitting and dragging away a child who’s fighting back with all their might at a grocery store, there’s 2 things that could be happening. A.) just a parent “disciplining” their kid, or B.) a literal kidnapping is taking place.
In your (clearly more informed) mind, it would always be scenario A, and you wouldn’t even think twice about the possibility of scenario B, “because that’s the social norm,” according to you.
I’ll say it one more time: IF YOU THROW HANDS, EXPECT TO CATCH HANDS, NO MATTER YOUR AGE, GENDER, OR FUCK ALL.
It seems like you’re talking about what you think ought to happen rather than what actually happens. I’m not saying that social standards are correct in a moral sense but rather that they do objectively exist and control most people’s behavior. Maybe the world in which people usually did fight back would be a better world than ours, but it isn’t our world.
As for your specific question about the screaming child: the chance that it’s scenario A is nearly 100%. Public kidnappings like that do happen but they’re very rare. (I think that in practice, people would ignore a woman doing it but sometimes intervene against a man doing it.)