An 87-year-old woman from Lemiers in Limburg who owned substantial real estate in nearby Vaals has left most of it to her tenants in her will.
According to the Telegraaf, Anneliese Houppermans, who earned her money from a successful fruit and vegetable business, owned several houses in the community. She never married or had children, and her ties to her family had faded over the years.
At first (because I’m a rapidly evolving into my final curmudgeon form) this put me in mind of those families that ended up losing their house after appearing on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition because they could no longer afford the taxes and upkeep on their houses. But this line of the article helped put me at ease:
“I only have to pay €75,000 in inheritance tax which I have turned into a mortgage. I have effectively been given €200,000, it’s great,” he said.
What the hell is up with such a high inheritance tax
It’s to try and combat generational wealth, maybe 100% with it going towards funding UBI would be better
Inheritance tax, in my opinion, is a very good thing. It prevents people from passing down wealth and keeps the playing field more even. Obviously nepotism and connections can’t be taxed, but it’s a step in the right direction. It’s not like they “deserved” that money or anything. I’m happy for them, but taxing it seems fine to help people with less.
It prevents people from passing down wealth
Unless you’re very wealthy and put your real estate into a company, and pass down the company to your children without paying taxes on it.
This is what’s currently happening in Belgium: https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20230324_96938388
Or take out loans, works in France.
I didn’t know that, could you elaborate please?
It’s a lot higher if you are not related
Welcome to Holland, we’ve arranged good dikes, good infrastructure, social benefits and affordable healthcare for all.
How do we pay for all of it?
Yeah… You now know how. We pay a lot of tax. And I mean a lot. 17+ % VAT on everything. Cars have an extra tax called bpm of around 20%. So half the price of a car is tax. 1 litre (not a gallon!) of ron95? Over 2 euros. Etc. (because that’s not all)
It’s fun.
And thats why we are tall. Because if we weren’t we would drown in our taxes ;)
That’s not much more than I pay in my state in the US. Wish we had it as good as yall do.
Dutch people pay so much tax because dutch companies pay so little tax, so pretty much the entire burden of paying the costs of the State comes from the wallets of individuals (whilst companies too are owned by individuals, those rich enough have many ways of avoiding paying tax on that and a lot of the biggest owners of the companies making profits in The Netherlands - whilst paying little tax on said profits - aren’t even resident in The Netherlands).
In countries were the tax take is more evenly balanced between people and businesses, people pay less taxes for more services (The Netherlands doesn’t even have a National Health Service, only a mixed Health Insurance system).
I lived in The Netherlands over a decade ago and already back then the country already had Northern European levels of taxation with nowhere near the levels of Public Services that countries with similar individual taxation - such as the Scandinavians - had and I doubt a decade of right-wing neoliberals in government has made things any better.
I doubt a decade of right-wing neoliberals in government has made things any better.
Only thing they achieved was starting a housing crisis. But don’t worry, Rutte failed upwards to NATO chief.
Welcome to danmark: 25% VAT , 150%? On cars
It should, IMO, be higher.
Especially when it’s not your kids.
People dont understand how much money like 200.000$ actually is.
It should be lower for 200.000$ then slide up to 100% on anything above 1.000.000$ or so
People inheriting 200.000$ aren’t causing the huge gap in wealth inequality
As I understand it, there’s several people getting houses. Exact figures aren’t given, but it’s likely she’s given away close to a million here.
It would be taxed per recipient, so it wouldn’t go into the 100% territory
Nah, 200k is almost half of what someone earns in a lifetime (and thats before taxes, food, rent…) but I guess there are a lot of temporary embarrassed millionaires out here :-)
I get what you’re saying, and in my ideal world inheritance would be limited to personal effects with sentimental value. I just don’t think being more extreme is going to get us anywhere, and definitely has different moral concerns regarding high value items with sentimental value
Non US countries have super high everything taxes
Non US countries have
super high everything taxeseffective social welfareUS countries do too, unless you’re rich enough to get around them
If you’r enot relatives it’s a high percentage.
First column is partners and children, second column is grandchidren and other relatives, last column is unrelated people
€ 0 - € 138.642 10% 18% 30%
€ 138.642+ 20% 36% 40%
The tenants that moved out six months ago: “Well, shit!”
Uplifting story, though
Ikr? Although it sounds like she probably kept rent reasonable the whole time
This to a certain extent extent is what we should be doing with housing. We’ve got a huge problem with elderly Care and who’s going to take care of them and where the money is coming from. And we’ve got a huge problem with rent going out of control going into people’s pockets that aren’t going to use the money for anything. Why aren’t rents just going to pay towards people’s elderly Care I don’t understand.
We should use housing to lift up those who came before us and can’t carry as much as their own anymore as well as enriching those who come into replace them.
We pay for your retirement. We get the house. Then those after us pay for our retirement. The cycle continues.
Every generation should finance their own retirements. Fluctuating population will lead to few having to finance many. This is the state of affairs in Germany, where old people live in both huge places and are paid pensions which will be unreachable for the younger generation.
I live in a village with many single family houses from the 70s and 80s. The people living here are old and are either not capable or willing to invest in their homes Understandable in my opinion. Why invest if you know you’ll die in 10 years…
What I wished would happen that older people would downsize. It is common for older people to live in their 7 room house they build for their entire family of 5. Children all grown up and in different cities, house not maintained and only partially heated.
Feels like pragmatism dies before the rest. Just move to a smaller apartment and give the house meant for families back to families …
Everyone should have a guaranteed basic standard of living with dignity, then you wouldn’t need to worry so much about retirement.
Individualism is the wrong direction to go.
Oh but we can’t afford that! No, not if we let a small handful of our population buy yachts for their yachts and fly around the globe in their private jets, and no not if we let individual companies hoard more money than entire nations.
Thank you for your insight. I didnt think hard enough. With declining birth rates this equation wouldn’t work without a secondary funding source to make sure it floated through the rough times.
Work all your life
Able to afford stuff
Retire, want to enjoy your stuff
Random ass guy: your stuff is too big, you should sell it because I’m jealous and I want it.
They didn’t say “sell,” they said “give.”
Wait, which timeline are we in now?
The “people are generally decent but the system is not” timeline.
Generally decent? I understand that someone can say “ooh she could’ve just gave it to her family to keep generational wealth” but she held housing for ransom for decades until her literal dying breath. I wonder what kind of life was afforded to her through her “substantial real estate.” This is orphan crushing machine at its best
Do you think it encourages people to be kind when they do something charitable and get told “Yeah, no, fuck you still”?
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I’m not going to praise a landlord or a slaver for their deathbed generosity, even if it does technically make them better than the alternative.
Do you think she would have done the same thing if she had had children or close family?
This would have been a good story if she recognized what she was doing while she was alive and willingly stopped feeding the system. As it is it cost her nothing while alive and therefore gains her corpse nothing.
You dont know why she didn’t have children
The same one, because a single person doing this due to not having anyone to give an inheritance to is the exception that proves the rule.
ALAB except this lady.
Well, it is known that only death redeems landlords.
Only death CAN redeem them, I think this lady got it, can’t say the same for the rest
ALAB except this lady.
Apologies, but this is the first time I’ve seen the term ALAB and I couldn’t find it anywhere on the interwebs.
Could you explain what this means?
I’m sure you are familiar with ACAB. The L stands for “landlords” here
Sorry, my mind just didn’t click at that moment
basically, Lemmy doesn’t think people should be allowed to rent. You either own a house or live in a hotel. No inbetween.
I think it’s more like “people shouldn’t be allowed to charge others exorbitant prices for a basic necessity of life”
that would be the correct, nuanced approach, yes. But that isn’t how things are on Lemmy.
Yeah I keep fluctuating between leaving lemmy and coming back due to its love for extreme stances, its the same type of vibe/reason I never really touched Twitter or Tumblr, but unfortunately reddit is now… reddit
I mean she still stole people’s income for like. However many years. This deed of hers was good, but I’m not sure it makes up for (potentially) a lifetime of taking working class wages.
Still struggling with English, I see?
Oh, hey it’s you. Huh. Always run into the same people defending Landlords. No point hashing it out since we already have. Hope you’re having a good day.
what is a Bram Brekelmans and why did someone father two of them?
They come in pairs. You can’t have just one, duh.
It sound really intriguing, now I want my own Bram Brekelmans!
Well according to most users here on lemmy she should have been taken out into the street, lined up against a wall with her family, and summarily shot in the back of the head before she even got a chance, because this would never happen and all landlords are literally Adolf Hitler in an Elon Musk mask.
This has been a presentation of The Tankies Suck Minute™, now back to our regularly scheduled programming:
“Kill her! Landlords should be unit 731’d!”
unironically supports a landlord hoarding homes in order to rent seek just because the individual was a good person, completely ignoring the billions of workers this system exploits and kills every day
comes up with some ridiculous straw man tirade that would never exist as an argument in reality in order to blame this on “tankies”
still genuinely believes they’re a good person in spite of all this
Ah yes, all the hallmarks of a true liberal.
You do realize that it’s completely embarrassing when you liberals do this?
The thing about leftist critique of capital is that it’s all valid and based on real fucking shit that happens in real life and is verifiably true today.
When you liberals show up trying to use your cute little sneers under a facade of facts and logic, it completely self-reports how you don’t really give a shit about anything. You don’t believe in anything except yourself.
And the fact that, over and over, you remain completely oblivious to that glaring disconnect between your smug liberal superiority complex and the completely ridiculous easily debunked statements you make, honestly says more about you than what you commented.
Found the Tankie! You can try and deride me for not wanting to kill old women all you wish, but since you do want to kill old women your opinions are invalid. Go choke on rasputin’s poorly preserved penis.
Oof. A swing and a miss, that one.
Tankies is when left of me
Tankies is very specific, murderous intent is part of it.
How can it be murder when landlords aren’t people? Think, liberal, think!
Ah yes I forgot, of course lmao.
Hey, you’re the guy who thinks it’s okay to kill young women, you don’t have a right to judge.
