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Or, to put it in words:
“Christianity didn’t become a world religion because of the quality of its teachings, but by the quantity of its violence” - Eleanor Ferguson
you could literally completely remove the context of history and all the fucked up shit therein, and the religion of christianity would STILL be laughably absurd on the face of it
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No enough kid diddling in that bottom picture.
That comes with having giant institutions that can bury kid-diddling, and do so in the name of preserving their reputation. In consequence, the edifice is more important than innocent human lives.
I suspect the same edifice is what sends crusaders and militarized missions.
Then the human race isn’t worth saving cheers to the climate climax!
Well, having come to terms with our not-insignificant existential risk, yes, we seem to be struggling with navigating our current great filters. One of our traits is we’re not good at organization, organizations of communities larger than dozens tend to collapse into corruption and factioning, which informs how religious ministries turn against the good of the society. It also informs runaway industries like fossil-fuel and automotive.
So as I see it, it’s not prescriptive but descriptive. It’s not whether we’re worthy but whether we do. It would mean overcoming our tendency to create large institutions in which power is consolidated and then only serves those at the top.
We will or we won’t, and in we don’t then the next species to evolve sophisticated social cooperation and reason will get to try.
Lol this is exactly how they teach “how we accepted Islam” in turkish history classes. They say our previous religion (tengrism) was really similar to Islam and so we just… idk… converted to Islam?
In reality tengrism is nowhere near similar to Islam and we had to accept converting to islam after years of wars and unending oppression by muslims
It’s 2024 and we still have wars on religions. Sigh. And why we still don’t have atheist political leaders yet.
Nobody does, it’s a dead cult
For what it’s worth, Buddhism was similarly spread by Ashoka.
It’s likely all religion has been spread by violence.
Except it’s the other way around. Ashoka gave up conquering after he converted to Buddhism.
Atheists hate this one simple trick (converting monarchs and emperors to your faith).
Yes, because the brutal warlord suddenly became repulsed by violence and never again resorted to violence….
(There are those 18,000 monks mentioned, and I find it dubious there wasn’t internal discord, considering.)
I’ve read some Buddhist literature, including a lot of tales about the Buddha, and the monks were arguing all the time. There’s a handful of stories where the Buddha goes at them because of how much they’re always arguing.
More accurately, the brutal warlord actually had feelings and didn’t know how to process them. In walks serene monks who seem to be at peace. Compare to: In walks missionaries who promise he can be forgiven and his immortal soul saved in the eyes of God.
I misread as “there wasn’t some internal Discord” and thought you were about to say something about leaked DMs. I need to wake up.
I’m sure there have been minor incidents, but as far as I know Sikhism comes to mind as a religion that doesn’t have blood on its hands.
While it’d be unfair to compare Sikhs to crusaders, it’s not like there weren’t Sikh states at war (especially with the Mughals. And, uh, the British East India company.)
It’s also important to note much of the Sikh militarism was brought out of self defense- persecution by Muslims and Hindus in particular were pervasive throughout their history; and the handful of states that were specifically Sikh, were mostly short lived.
Suffice it to say, it’s a very modern concept that religions were supposed to be peaceful. For most of history, religion was as much a part of national identity as it was fervent beliefs.
This isn’t to say that members in those religions can’t be absolutely peaceful.
The Baha’is haven’t used violence, they also don’t proselytize.
It was also done by murdering, massacring, and forcibly converting my Jewish ancestors. There’s a reason why my entire extended family is small (people forget that the Holocaust was done for and by Christians).
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I recommend you learning history first
Holy Irony Batman.
The down votes are because you didn’t learn actual history, and are spouting antisemitic lies.
Please explain how the crusades were defensive? Christians in Europe going over to the Middle East, and attempting to start shit, but ultimately baking in their armor, isn’t defensive. Do you also call Russia’s invasion of Ukraine defensive?
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Christianity saved many lives for slavery. If you think back to Roman empire, this was build on human bodies. Many slaves from conquered countries working on farms and construction sites for Governmental sake. Even Romans could fell to slavery through debts. Unfortunately, it poor countries it still happens that parents sell their kids or even sell themselves (think about Bangladeshis, Bhirmese or Pakistani in Emirates, Khatar or Thailand) That way of society was stopped by Christianity. Btw Islam, Buddism, and Confucianism stopped it as well.
You might argue that slavery was active in the New World. Yes, indeed and it was against the Christianity. Out of this moral dilemma the European thinkers „invented“ Rassism to make slaves non human and being able to resell slaves from Africa to Americas. And guess who sold the slaves in Africa to the European merchants?
I know this is outside your comfort zone of thinking. It’s just a little brain gymnastic for you.
I have some news for you. The Spanish state, its church, and its representatives did a LOT of enslaving of the Native Americans. The missions that pepper California and Mexico were almost entirely dependent on the labor of enslaved natives, and they were horrifically brutal about it, too. In a book I have on the subject, there’s an example of one priest who complained about how the natives were treated, and he was summarily relocated. So, Christianity had an enormous role in enslaving and murdering native Americans, and it had nothing to do with Merchants.
You didn’t get my point that I didn’t neglect it. I just mentioned that it also saved Europe of being enslaved by ancient Roman Empire.
Later Christianity changed it‘s view on slaves and invented Rassism for put Africans and American natives into slavery. Ever heard of Spanish-born of French men slaves in Americas?
And to make it even less black/white or god/bad, some more nuances: Habe you heard of Munch armies in Americas? Or were it soldiers? Do you draw any difference between governments, church, and religion?
Are you trying to argue that the slaves should be grateful?
Did you read my comment?
We did and it was very hard to follow your train of though.
Ok fair enough.
