Well it’s either that or everyone dies. Pretty much the only options we’ve got. So, this may sound callous, but, that sucks.
For what it’s worth, I fix combustion engines for a living. I would likely be one of the displaced workers, maybe not the first wave, but it will trickle down. I’m not looking forward to the near necessity that I will need to adapt, but I understand what is required for the collective survival of the human race. If I were put out of a job because people have stopped driving ICE vehicles, I’d be thrilled. My monthly bills may not be, but that’s a problem I’m prepared to tackle.
Our current trajectory will get us all killed. There’s no question about it anymore. We are at a crossroads where we can choose to adapt or die and we are rapidly running out of time to choose. Those who cannot adapt will get left behind or else we’ll all go down together.
It’s a tough call to give up your living and life as it is for the hope of saving everyone. Especially if you’re unsure if it will do anything. For most people, the life of their family, community and so on come before that. And i can’t blame them at all, I’d be the same if it was me who was threatened by this.
You mean those jobs in coal mines and coal factories that are literally being lost anyway because there’s a dwindling supply and the billionaires who own those companies are finding ways to automate and kick those workers to the curb? You mean those jobs? Or are you talking about the couple hundred people who work on oil rigs? Certainly you’re not thinking of gas station attendants or the guys who haul gas across the country. Because obviously they can’t get other jobs that are comparable. ಠ_ಠ
This is more of that stupid fucking fear-mongering about climate change policy. Jobs come and go. Industries close down, other industries open up in their place. That’s part of the nature of an economy. To say that people will be out of work because of X policy is and always has been a political fear tactic that stymies technological innovation and progress in favor of pushing old outdated shit that just happens to make a small number of people a huge amount of money.
the domestic oil industry employs more than a couple hundred people. and i don’t think most people are ready to support a policy that sounds like “i want to take your job, the jobs of your friends and family, and destroy your town.” they aren’t going to vote to support progressive climate policy unless there is a solution to their very real concerns.
edit for clarification - i don’t think most of the people employed in that industry or in communities it supports are ready, etc.
There are other jobs. And oil drillers/rig people are the most specialized and would have the most difficulty transitioning to another career. Which is why I highlighted them. Also, the number of people who would have to look for another job in the transition from fossil fuels is insignificant in comparison to those who will die because of climate change.
Their jobs are going away regardless. Whether it’s now or 10 years from now the difference being that 10 years from now it’s going to be too late to do anything to stop climate change from utterly wrecking everybody’s life. Quite frankly in a lot of circles it’s considered that we are already 20 years out of date for doing anything to mitigate millions of deaths due to climate change.
Their jobs are going away regardless. Whether it’s now or 10 years from now the difference being that 10 years from now it’s going to be too late to do anything to stop climate change from utterly wrecking everybody’s life.
And that they’ll get to keep their livelihood for 10 more years. It’s easy to see why they’d go for that option over fighting climate change with their personal job loss.
It’s not stupid fear mongering when those jobs are currently being lost due to climate change concerns and a lot of the jobs aren’t being replaced and people and certain areas are being hit hard by that. You’re saying that it’s already in process so it’s fine which is just lol. Or that they can just get another jobs which is another lol from me.
Of course the people who are actually having to deal with losing their jobs or seeing their areas go through a rough change for the worse aren’t gung-ho for that change. You’d be dumb to think those people will be fine with it because “oh it’s just how economy goes” (LOL) or shit like that. Like I’m sure you think it’s a change for the better, necessary and whatnot (and I’d agree) but we are talking about seeing it from those people’s perspective.
Sounds to me like you are a proponent of universal basic income as a way to mitigate revenue loss for people whose jobs have been outmoded by a new paradigm in our energy production.
Maybe if we tax billionaires at around 90% we can actually give those people a life worth living.
I guess some people would lose their jobs and the economy in some areas could be hit hard
There is so much work to be done fighting climate change that we could easily replace every job lost.
But the economy will have to de-grow sooner or later. It is isnt an option. Sustainability is not a choice, it is an inevitability.
I’m sure we theoretically could, but I’m not confident we will.
That’s another hard sell. Nobody wants to be the one getting sacked and have to figure out what to do
Well it’s either that or everyone dies. Pretty much the only options we’ve got. So, this may sound callous, but, that sucks.
For what it’s worth, I fix combustion engines for a living. I would likely be one of the displaced workers, maybe not the first wave, but it will trickle down. I’m not looking forward to the near necessity that I will need to adapt, but I understand what is required for the collective survival of the human race. If I were put out of a job because people have stopped driving ICE vehicles, I’d be thrilled. My monthly bills may not be, but that’s a problem I’m prepared to tackle.
Our current trajectory will get us all killed. There’s no question about it anymore. We are at a crossroads where we can choose to adapt or die and we are rapidly running out of time to choose. Those who cannot adapt will get left behind or else we’ll all go down together.
It’s a tough call to give up your living and life as it is for the hope of saving everyone. Especially if you’re unsure if it will do anything. For most people, the life of their family, community and so on come before that. And i can’t blame them at all, I’d be the same if it was me who was threatened by this.
You mean those jobs in coal mines and coal factories that are literally being lost anyway because there’s a dwindling supply and the billionaires who own those companies are finding ways to automate and kick those workers to the curb? You mean those jobs? Or are you talking about the couple hundred people who work on oil rigs? Certainly you’re not thinking of gas station attendants or the guys who haul gas across the country. Because obviously they can’t get other jobs that are comparable. ಠ_ಠ
This is more of that stupid fucking fear-mongering about climate change policy. Jobs come and go. Industries close down, other industries open up in their place. That’s part of the nature of an economy. To say that people will be out of work because of X policy is and always has been a political fear tactic that stymies technological innovation and progress in favor of pushing old outdated shit that just happens to make a small number of people a huge amount of money.
the domestic oil industry employs more than a couple hundred people. and i don’t think most people are ready to support a policy that sounds like “i want to take your job, the jobs of your friends and family, and destroy your town.” they aren’t going to vote to support progressive climate policy unless there is a solution to their very real concerns.
edit for clarification - i don’t think most of the people employed in that industry or in communities it supports are ready, etc.
There are other jobs. And oil drillers/rig people are the most specialized and would have the most difficulty transitioning to another career. Which is why I highlighted them. Also, the number of people who would have to look for another job in the transition from fossil fuels is insignificant in comparison to those who will die because of climate change.
“Just get another job” - That’s sure to get people to your side.
Their jobs are going away regardless. Whether it’s now or 10 years from now the difference being that 10 years from now it’s going to be too late to do anything to stop climate change from utterly wrecking everybody’s life. Quite frankly in a lot of circles it’s considered that we are already 20 years out of date for doing anything to mitigate millions of deaths due to climate change.
And that they’ll get to keep their livelihood for 10 more years. It’s easy to see why they’d go for that option over fighting climate change with their personal job loss.
It’s not stupid fear mongering when those jobs are currently being lost due to climate change concerns and a lot of the jobs aren’t being replaced and people and certain areas are being hit hard by that. You’re saying that it’s already in process so it’s fine which is just lol. Or that they can just get another jobs which is another lol from me.
Of course the people who are actually having to deal with losing their jobs or seeing their areas go through a rough change for the worse aren’t gung-ho for that change. You’d be dumb to think those people will be fine with it because “oh it’s just how economy goes” (LOL) or shit like that. Like I’m sure you think it’s a change for the better, necessary and whatnot (and I’d agree) but we are talking about seeing it from those people’s perspective.
Sounds to me like you are a proponent of universal basic income as a way to mitigate revenue loss for people whose jobs have been outmoded by a new paradigm in our energy production.
Maybe if we tax billionaires at around 90% we can actually give those people a life worth living.
I’d imagine that change should happens first before you get the support from the people being sacked now. One can dream, I suppose.