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  • orgrinrt@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Just to throw my two cents in: This user isn’t a genuinely curious ponderer, rather they are a Russian troll trying to fish for arguments they could further use in bad faith to lick Putin’s boot.

    Just read through their comment history and make your own mind. This is not genuine and most everyone is just feeding the troll.

    The question itself is worth asking though. A lot of good points here, but they’d be better given in good faith for someone genuine.

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        3 months ago

        Sure. But it might be useful for someone to know this before dedicating time responding genuinely. If it’s still irrelevant, great. If it might change someone’s mind about spending their time, then also great.

        Only giving context here. Might be relevant to some.

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      3 months ago

      Just to throw my two cents in: This user isn’t a genuinely curious ponderer, rather they are a Russian troll trying to fish for arguments they could further use in bad faith to lick Putin’s boot.

      You sound like a victim of propaganda. Arguments to convince people that a forced draft is bad does not benefit the russian government or any other. I encourage you to read other people posts better and to think with your own brain.

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        3 months ago

        My reading comprehension is just fine, your lack of capability to understand context and tendency to deal in absolutes and binaries in a world made of wide spectrums, shades of gray and unpredictability, on the other hand, does not seem to pass the smell test.

        Either you argue in bad faith, are intentionally a shifting contrarian or just not competent enough to either understand the world or at the very least discuss it with others in a way that makes sense.

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        3 months ago

        Do you approve of Russias invasion of Ukraine?

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          3 months ago

          No and i do not approve any other country invasion of another. What about you?

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            3 months ago

            Are you trying to say Ukraine is wrong to go into Russia?

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              “Are you trying to say U̶k̶r̶a̶i̶n̶e̶ the government of ukraine who is drafting against their will disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders is wrong in ordering its soldier to invade Russia?”

              This doesn’t sound good to me, nodoby should do this or have the power to do it.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

              https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-thought-order-to-invade-russia-was-joke-2024-8

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                3 months ago

                Going into Russia has been a huge tactical success for them, we will see if it’s a strategic success, but chances are looking good. Drafting people against their will is kinda the definition of a draft. I haven’t looked into the exceptions or lack thereof specifically though.

                Do you have a problem with Ukraine invading Russia at all after Russia is trying to annihilate them as a country? Do you have a problem with their conscription policies? Or a problem with using conscripts in the attack into Russia? Or a combination of those three?

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                  3 months ago

                  I don’t think being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is a good thing regardless of who you are.

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                    3 months ago

                    To be clear, you’re against Russia using conscription as well, right?

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                    Is only the combination of drafting and going into another country that is unacceptable? Is Ukraine even using conscripts on that front?

                    The goal of the invasion into Russia (in my estimation) is to take territory to trade back to Russia in exchange for parts of Ukraine that Russia has captured. Do you think that’s not okay? Why?

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            Russia’s invasion is totally unjustified.

            I think starting a war is very rarely justified. The evil prevented by attacking would need to be much larger than the inherent evil of the war. That’s pretty close to Justinian just war theory, but I’d weight present known evils much more highly than theoretically reduced future evils to account for uncertainty. For example, I think an allied invasion into Nazi Europe was justified.

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            3 months ago

            “Ukraine is wrong and they shouldn’t actually have any military at all btw, also I’m not a Russian troll

            — You

            It’s like watching a middle-schooler pick a fight, lose, then go crying to an adult that he’s being bullied. You’re pathetic.

            I’m Finnish and have done my conscription and it was one of the best years of my life. I wouldn’t want to go into war, but I would definitely go and fight Russia if they had invaded Finland.

            Like Ukraine has done, defending their country from the Russian “#+special military operation.”

            Go cry into your limited access to the global community, Ruski. Slava Ukraini.

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              “Ukraine is wrong and they shouldn’t actually have any military at all btw, also I’m not a Russian troll”

              never said such thing, that’s actually you saying it

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                3 months ago

                never said such thing

                No, it’s what is implied. Perhaps you don’t know the word?

                So you think Ukraine is wrong to defend itself from Russian military aggression. You’ve admitted that.

                The only people who think Russia is in the right about this are propaganda trolls and brainwashed Russian iidjits.