Ah yes, the criminals that were already carrying illegally sized knives will totally be prevented from doing that by further decreasing the legal limit. Fucking toddler logic. This gives big “There is no crime in germany because crime is illegal” energy
Unlike guns, knives are actually helpful in a lot of everyday situations. So it’s obviously terrible that politicians keep using the politician’s syllogism (“we must do something - this is something - we must do this!”). Over the long run, we ruin law as a whole with often expensive, symbolic additions whose negative consequences massively outweigh the positives. And the acting politicians definitely know what they’re doing is wrong—they’re reacting in a (predictably failing) bid to appease populists. And I am not sure how we’ll ever get out of this, because in the moment this logic is definitely appealing, even though immediately past that moment, it becomes clearer how harmful it is.
Otoh, the same politicians also currently discuss his to fix actual issues, such as the social-media radicalization topic that has sweeped over us in various forms over the past years, with anti-Covid-measures movements, Islamist movements, pro-Russian movements, and radical right movements (there are tons of convergence points between all these).
It’s an outcome that comes from people demanding that something be done because they think we can somehow live in a perfectly safe world.
Shit happens, no matter how many laws are passed no country is going to never have violent crime or mass killings never ever never. Yet the people still demand their politicians do something even if there’s nothing useful that can be done.
Shouldn’t we learn something from the Brits? They basically outlawed knives, yet the problem with knife fights is getting worse. Someone else in this thread kinda debunked my statement, so there’s that!
Its not debunked, this is about terrorism and laws don’t work for terrorism. We know UK isn’t important enough to have a actual terrorism problem, but we are and shitty populist law changes won’t help at all.
I know, we all hate Brexit but no need to be quite this condescending. The UK is an economic power, just weaker than it used to be, especially in relation to how neighbors developed.
to have a actual terrorism problem
I believe the UK recently was the site of right-wing riots (and a stabbing).
I know, we all hate Brexit but no need to be quite this condescending. The UK is an economic power, just weaker than YT used to be, especially in relation.
Its not about economic power regarding terrorism, they dont have Ramstein and they are very hard to reach for such terrorists France and Germany are way more freedom loving countries and such attacks here are working way better than in uk
I believe the UK recently was the site of right-wing riots (and a stabbing).
Nither of wich are terrorism, the riots are at worst domestic terrorism wich is a completely different story. What happened in Solingen and Mannheim where Islamic terrorist attacks and they are now used to push authoritarian shit on the population that doesn’t help the problem at all, and facing a at least partial AFD government these permissions and ability will be abused. Laws are made so they protect the people even in the worst case scenario, these laws and ideas are already up to no good even with seemingly good intentions.
Will be interesting to see if knife laws like this have a measurable impact, it could serve as a proxy to give us better data about what may and may not work elsewhere, for example firearms in the US.
The UK has the joint lowest knife homicide rates in the world, tied with Monaco. They both have 0.08 knife deaths per 100k.
Germany is 0.23 per 100k (almost 3x higher).
The US has 0.6 per 100k (7.5x higher).
South Africa has 16.95 per 100k (212x higher, god damn).
The UK appearing to have a lot of knife crime is actually a result of knife crime being so low. If someone gets stabbed to death in the UK, it makes (inter)national news, which leads to the impression of knife crime being high.
No, no its not. Stop sweeping shit under the rug. London looks like 1984 was a guide to society, it doesn’t stop all attacks, it absolutely doesn’t stop terrorism and its not actually reducing crime, your criminals now just use acid.
London does not look like 1984 was it’s guide - have you even read 1984?
It’s about an oppressive dictatorship that strictly rations goods to its citizens, where healthcare access is limited, where the government mandates spy devices in homes, where the government abducts and tortures people who (even silently) disagree with the government.
None of that applies to the UK. I’m tired of people who clearly haven’t read 1984 say everything is literally 1984. Read the book. Then you can talk about what is and what isn’t 1984.
Of course it doesn’t stop all crime, are you dense? Seatbelts and airbags don’t stop all car injuries, that doesn’t mean we should get rid of them and call them a failure, does it?
You may as well say “murder being illegal doesn’t stop all murders, so why punish it at all?”
Ah yes, the criminals that were already carrying illegally sized knives will totally be prevented from doing that by further decreasing the legal limit. Fucking toddler logic. This gives big “There is no crime in germany because crime is illegal” energy
Unlike guns, knives are actually helpful in a lot of everyday situations. So it’s obviously terrible that politicians keep using the politician’s syllogism (“we must do something - this is something - we must do this!”). Over the long run, we ruin law as a whole with often expensive, symbolic additions whose negative consequences massively outweigh the positives. And the acting politicians definitely know what they’re doing is wrong—they’re reacting in a (predictably failing) bid to appease populists. And I am not sure how we’ll ever get out of this, because in the moment this logic is definitely appealing, even though immediately past that moment, it becomes clearer how harmful it is.
Otoh, the same politicians also currently discuss his to fix actual issues, such as the social-media radicalization topic that has sweeped over us in various forms over the past years, with anti-Covid-measures movements, Islamist movements, pro-Russian movements, and radical right movements (there are tons of convergence points between all these).
It’s an outcome that comes from people demanding that something be done because they think we can somehow live in a perfectly safe world.
Shit happens, no matter how many laws are passed no country is going to never have violent crime or mass killings never ever never. Yet the people still demand their politicians do something even if there’s nothing useful that can be done.
Also, “Cannabis is [was] forbidden because it is [was] an illegal drug.”
Cannabis isn’t broccoli!!!1!!
For the non-Germans: This thread references several quotes from former conservative federal drug
designee[?]commissioner Marlene Mortler.*Commissioner [?, I think one of the quotes is from her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Ludwig]
but, “we already have two volksdrogen we don’t need a third one”
Shouldn’t we learn something from the Brits? They basically outlawed knives, yet the problem with knife fights is getting worse.Someone else in this thread kinda debunked my statement, so there’s that!Its not debunked, this is about terrorism and laws don’t work for terrorism. We know UK isn’t important enough to have a actual terrorism problem, but we are and shitty populist law changes won’t help at all.
I know, we all hate Brexit but no need to be quite this condescending. The UK is an economic power, just weaker than it used to be, especially in relation to how neighbors developed.
I believe the UK recently was the site of right-wing riots (and a stabbing).
Just ignore the troll. He’s high on xenophobia.
Its not about economic power regarding terrorism, they dont have Ramstein and they are very hard to reach for such terrorists France and Germany are way more freedom loving countries and such attacks here are working way better than in uk
Nither of wich are terrorism, the riots are at worst domestic terrorism wich is a completely different story. What happened in Solingen and Mannheim where Islamic terrorist attacks and they are now used to push authoritarian shit on the population that doesn’t help the problem at all, and facing a at least partial AFD government these permissions and ability will be abused. Laws are made so they protect the people even in the worst case scenario, these laws and ideas are already up to no good even with seemingly good intentions.
Will be interesting to see if knife laws like this have a measurable impact, it could serve as a proxy to give us better data about what may and may not work elsewhere, for example firearms in the US.
Just look at UK to see how much they don’t do.
The UK has the joint lowest knife homicide rates in the world, tied with Monaco. They both have 0.08 knife deaths per 100k.
Germany is 0.23 per 100k (almost 3x higher).
The US has 0.6 per 100k (7.5x higher).
South Africa has 16.95 per 100k (212x higher, god damn).
The UK appearing to have a lot of knife crime is actually a result of knife crime being so low. If someone gets stabbed to death in the UK, it makes (inter)national news, which leads to the impression of knife crime being high.
Source: United Nations Global Study on Homicide
Yeah and now look at acid and other stablery. Thats the point. They find replacements. And its not hard to get a gun in Germany.
The UK is pretty low on violent crime in general. And literally the best in the world when it comes to knife crime.
Stop spreading misinformation.
No, no its not. Stop sweeping shit under the rug. London looks like 1984 was a guide to society, it doesn’t stop all attacks, it absolutely doesn’t stop terrorism and its not actually reducing crime, your criminals now just use acid.
Yes, it is.
London does not look like 1984 was it’s guide - have you even read 1984?
It’s about an oppressive dictatorship that strictly rations goods to its citizens, where healthcare access is limited, where the government mandates spy devices in homes, where the government abducts and tortures people who (even silently) disagree with the government.
None of that applies to the UK. I’m tired of people who clearly haven’t read 1984 say everything is literally 1984. Read the book. Then you can talk about what is and what isn’t 1984.
Of course it doesn’t stop all crime, are you dense? Seatbelts and airbags don’t stop all car injuries, that doesn’t mean we should get rid of them and call them a failure, does it?
You may as well say “murder being illegal doesn’t stop all murders, so why punish it at all?”
They literally shared the numbers and their source. If you want to claim otherwise, you’ll have to provide something more than just your claim.
You also seem to be moving the goalpost. What does using acid have to do with violent crimes hurting others?
I don’t want to take sides here — but I’ll add context here:
Pouring acid in someone’s face is a violent crime. Related Wikipedia entry
Crime doesn’t happen if it’s not reported.