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Ah yes, the criminals that were already carrying illegally sized knives will totally be prevented from doing that by further decreasing the legal limit. Fucking toddler logic. This gives big “There is no crime in germany because crime is illegal” energy
Unlike guns, knives are actually helpful in a lot of everyday situations. So it’s obviously terrible that politicians keep using the politician’s syllogism (“we must do something - this is something - we must do this!”). Over the long run, we ruin law as a whole with often expensive, symbolic additions whose negative consequences massively outweigh the positives. And the acting politicians definitely know what they’re doing is wrong—they’re reacting in a (predictably failing) bid to appease populists. And I am not sure how we’ll ever get out of this, because in the moment this logic is definitely appealing, even though immediately past that moment, it becomes clearer how harmful it is.
Otoh, the same politicians also currently discuss his to fix actual issues, such as the social-media radicalization topic that has sweeped over us in various forms over the past years, with anti-Covid-measures movements, Islamist movements, pro-Russian movements, and radical right movements (there are tons of convergence points between all these).
It’s an outcome that comes from people demanding that something be done because they think we can somehow live in a perfectly safe world.
Shit happens, no matter how many laws are passed no country is going to never have violent crime or mass killings never ever never. Yet the people still demand their politicians do something even if there’s nothing useful that can be done.
Also, “Cannabis is [was] forbidden because it is [was] an illegal drug.”
Cannabis isn’t broccoli!!!1!!
For the non-Germans: This thread references several quotes from former conservative federal drug
designee[?]commissioner Marlene Mortler.*Commissioner [?, I think one of the quotes is from her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Ludwig]
but, “we already have two volksdrogen we don’t need a third one”
Shouldn’t we learn something from the Brits? They basically outlawed knives, yet the problem with knife fights is getting worse.Someone else in this thread kinda debunked my statement, so there’s that!Its not debunked, this is about terrorism and laws don’t work for terrorism. We know UK isn’t important enough to have a actual terrorism problem, but we are and shitty populist law changes won’t help at all.
UK isn’t important enough
I know, we all hate Brexit but no need to be quite this condescending. The UK is an economic power, just weaker than it used to be, especially in relation to how neighbors developed.
to have a actual terrorism problem
I believe the UK recently was the site of right-wing riots (and a stabbing).
Just ignore the troll. He’s high on xenophobia.
I know, we all hate Brexit but no need to be quite this condescending. The UK is an economic power, just weaker than YT used to be, especially in relation.
Its not about economic power regarding terrorism, they dont have Ramstein and they are very hard to reach for such terrorists France and Germany are way more freedom loving countries and such attacks here are working way better than in uk
I believe the UK recently was the site of right-wing riots (and a stabbing).
Nither of wich are terrorism, the riots are at worst domestic terrorism wich is a completely different story. What happened in Solingen and Mannheim where Islamic terrorist attacks and they are now used to push authoritarian shit on the population that doesn’t help the problem at all, and facing a at least partial AFD government these permissions and ability will be abused. Laws are made so they protect the people even in the worst case scenario, these laws and ideas are already up to no good even with seemingly good intentions.
Will be interesting to see if knife laws like this have a measurable impact, it could serve as a proxy to give us better data about what may and may not work elsewhere, for example firearms in the US.
Just look at UK to see how much they don’t do.
The UK has the joint lowest knife homicide rates in the world, tied with Monaco. They both have 0.08 knife deaths per 100k.
Germany is 0.23 per 100k (almost 3x higher).
The US has 0.6 per 100k (7.5x higher).
South Africa has 16.95 per 100k (212x higher, god damn).
The UK appearing to have a lot of knife crime is actually a result of knife crime being so low. If someone gets stabbed to death in the UK, it makes (inter)national news, which leads to the impression of knife crime being high.
Yeah and now look at acid and other stablery. Thats the point. They find replacements. And its not hard to get a gun in Germany.
The UK is pretty low on violent crime in general. And literally the best in the world when it comes to knife crime.
Stop spreading misinformation.
No, no its not. Stop sweeping shit under the rug. London looks like 1984 was a guide to society, it doesn’t stop all attacks, it absolutely doesn’t stop terrorism and its not actually reducing crime, your criminals now just use acid.
Yes, it is.
London does not look like 1984 was it’s guide - have you even read 1984?
It’s about an oppressive dictatorship that strictly rations goods to its citizens, where healthcare access is limited, where the government mandates spy devices in homes, where the government abducts and tortures people who (even silently) disagree with the government.
None of that applies to the UK. I’m tired of people who clearly haven’t read 1984 say everything is literally 1984. Read the book. Then you can talk about what is and what isn’t 1984.
Of course it doesn’t stop all crime, are you dense? Seatbelts and airbags don’t stop all car injuries, that doesn’t mean we should get rid of them and call them a failure, does it?
You may as well say “murder being illegal doesn’t stop all murders, so why punish it at all?”
They literally shared the numbers and their source. If you want to claim otherwise, you’ll have to provide something more than just your claim.
You also seem to be moving the goalpost. What does using acid have to do with violent crimes hurting others?
Crime doesn’t happen if it’s not reported.
“German government -as always- rejects solutions (or even honest discussions) in favour of bullshit symbolism pandering to right populists”
Fixed the headline…
German government -as always- rejects solutions (or even honest discussions)
This is already enough for that fixed headline.
Not really. This was demanded by the opposition (conservatives).
A “conservative” opposition that made a sharp turn to right-wing populism and is spending the years since they got voted out by parroting far-right AfD narratives while also adding their own take on desinformation at every corner… and sadly the media has failed for quite some time to provide context and is only slowly waking up and starting to publish fact checks for all their bullshit demand and statements.
So you might think you found a problem with my statement. But there isn’t one. The former center-right conservatives are indeed the right populists I was talking about. Because that is exactly what they degerated to the moment they lost power.
For reference see for example: here, here or here
That’s your so-called “conservative opposition” right there…
Yeah cause we all know that criminals respect the laws.
Like seriously, look at England to see how great this woks!.. Oh wait it absolutely doesn’t even with absolutely draconian punishments for violations there are still very very regular stabbings but now the bad guys even switched to fucking acid…
Who in the world thinks this is a good idea?
The UK has the joint lowest levels of knife homicide in the world.
(Tied with Monaco at 0.08 per 100k people)
Source: United Nations Global Study on Homicide
Knife attacks in the UK are so low that when it does happen, it makes national news, which paradoxically leads to the impression of knife crime being very high.
Yes and the attackers now use acid and other stablery. That don’t end up in statistics so UK people can show how great everything is.
London feels like straight out of 1984, cameras everywhere. Biggest ew imaginable.
You’re now spinning the UK having the lowest knife violence rate as a bad thing somehow, and that it’s a part of a UK conspiracy to make the UK look good lol.
“UK people” are called Brits, btw, and I’m not one of them.
All major cities have a lot of cameras. London is one of those hundreds of cities that do. Shops having CCTV is not “muh literally 1984”.
No i say it doesn’t work and is just 1984. Most cities in normal countries don’t have cameras at every street corner. The fact that you UK people defend that behavior is seriously dangerous behavior
It doesn’t work except it does, as the UK has low levels of violent crime, and very low levels of knife crime.
Cameras at every street corner? What are you on about? I think you’ve been watching too many conspiracy theorist YouTubers.
Germany has a higher rate of the police CCTV requests than the UK does. So if the UK is literally 1984, then Germany is even worse, no?
Again, people from the UK are called Brits. And I am not British. Do you call Germans “Germany people”?
Having the lowest knife attack rate on the planet is “seriously dangerous behaviour”? Ok then lol.
Chill the xenophobia.
Japan does. See the swords and firearms act. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. Do I think some of it is dumb? Yep. Does it give a framework for handling people carrying types and/or lengths of blades in a way that punishes them more harshly and discourages people? It sure seems like it.
Yup. Japan has a knife homicide rates pretty much as low as the UK and Monaco. Clearly they’re doing something right.
The framework already exists in Germany and it won’t discourage terrorists, thats the fucking point. This was a terrorist attack. Japan doesn’t have this terrorism threat, they have homicidal people and insane people, thats something different and our police already has more than enough rights to handle these situations. The knife the attacker used was also illigal anyway, did it stop them? Doesn’t seem like it.
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