“Al-Awsa flood was a fully legitimate and legal attack against an occupying force”
Citing the attacks on October 7th, which targeted civilians, as legitimate and legal against an ‘occupying force’.
“Innocent civilians are not an occupying force”
Giving the opportunity, here, to dispute that they were innocent civilians - by specifying innocent civilians not being an occupying force, they are necessarily narrowing the scope of the discussion to civilians in the context of the October 7th attacks and whether they were legitimate.
“When they’re the people who’ve stolen your homes and land, they are”
That innocent civilians were targeted is not disputed. Instead, it is asserted that as the civilians were “the people who’ve stolen your homes and land”, they are in some way legitimate targets. What other reasonable interpretation is left in context?
Well they didnt avoid military personnel, they grabbed whoever they could. Its a bit different too when you consider all Israelis serve in their military by default.
How about this, you tell me what they should have done instead? Continued on as they were? Are you aware the IDF was killing a palestinian child per week all through 2023, PRIOR to October 7th?
I’m not saying its right to hurt people, I’m saying there is only so much a community can take before things like this happen, and now its being used as an excuse to further kill and steal land, which is wrong.
Or how about foreign countries lobbying our government? Bad right? If russia had a PAC and was donating money to get laws passed that are favorable to Russia, we would rightly protest across the nation.
We allow the exact same thing for Israel and protesting that fact is now illegal in America. How’s that for moral consistency?
Well they didnt avoid military personnel, they grabbed whoever they could.
Oh, they didn’t avoid military personnel when killing civilians, if they had avoided military personnel when killing civilians, like all the truly great terrorists do, THEN it would be condemnable.
Its a bit different too when you consider all Israelis serve in their military by default.
Jesus fucking Christ. I ask you to take a step back and re-examine this statement and its implications.
How about this, you tell me what they should have done instead? Continued on as they were?
You do realize that a massive attack on an occupying power does not actually have to target civilians, right?
Are you aware the IDF was killing a palestinian child per week all through 2023, PRIOR to October 7th?
Yes, I am well-aware. I’ve condemned the situation in Palestine as a genocide many, many times before October 7th.
I’m not saying its right to hurt people, I’m saying there is only so much a community can take before things like this happen,
Before… what? Before a mafia pseudostate triggers an intensified period of war with the occupying power which looks damn well like it might result in a serious incident of genocide far in excess of previous attempts, by launching an attack by paramilitary forces on the ground (as opposed to rockets or bombs) that targeted civilians, because they want to puff themselves up to hold onto power?
and now its being used as an excuse to further kill and steal land, which is wrong.
Agreed,
Or how about foreign countries lobbying our government? Bad right? If russia had a PAC and was donating money to get laws passed that are favorable to Russia, we would rightly protest across the nation.
Yep. AIPAC’s influence is awful, and should be strongly opposed, especially considering how deeply they’ve woven themselves into the current party system. Not really sure what that has to do with Hamas targeting civilians, though.
We allow the exact same thing for Israel and protesting that fact is now illegal in America. How’s that for moral consistency?
I think its hypocritical everyone seems understanding of the Palestinians but wants to shout at them they are doing it wrong. They were already facing cultural genocide, it was already awful before the 7th.
Unless you lived in Gaza at the time I dont think westerners should be sitting here virtue signaling.
Americans do understand the occupier vs occupied you’d think considering their history with Britain, or Americas history with the “third world” but suddenly this one doesnt count.
The people being abused had been lashing out in every way they could before with no response. Its absurd to sit here and say the one thing they did that caused global outrage against Israel for their treatment of Palestinians was the wrong thing to do.
I would never hurt anyone, but im not Palestinian nor do I live under those conditions. If I did, I’d likely have a different perspective.
I think its hypocritical everyone seems understanding of the Palestinians but wants to shout at them they are doing it wrong.
If you think targeting civilians in ethnic cleansing isn’t doing it wrong because you prefer their side of the conflict, we have nothing to talk about. Your position is no different than the excuses given by the Zionists.
This wasn’t the first attempt at a solution, this is nearly 80 years of events leading up to something.
Except it’s not. It’s not ‘leading up to something’ like this was some bold, grand strike that’s never been tried before. This has been tried numerous times before, and the reaction from Israel is always the same. This isn’t 80 years of events leading up to something - this is an 80 year pattern whose only change is that Israel seems ready to right and truly finish their genocide attempt in Gaza - or make significant ‘progress’ in doing so.
This may be radical, but you can perform attacks on an occupier without going out of your way to target civilians. Shocking, I know.
Collateral damage happens. Shit happens, especially with a less disciplined and organized force. But I’m not going to pretend that Hamas going in and murdering and kidnapping a bunch of civilians in addition to soldiers is some kind of laudable or acceptable course of action, nor will I pretend that it’s in some way wise or groundbreaking. This is the same old shit that’s been going on for the past 80 years - Israel is just feeling bold enough to respond the way the Israeli right has wanted to for a long time.
“Al-Awsa flood was a fully legitimate and legal attack against an occupying force”
Citing the attacks on October 7th, which targeted civilians, as legitimate and legal against an ‘occupying force’.
“Innocent civilians are not an occupying force”
Giving the opportunity, here, to dispute that they were innocent civilians - by specifying innocent civilians not being an occupying force, they are necessarily narrowing the scope of the discussion to civilians in the context of the October 7th attacks and whether they were legitimate.
“When they’re the people who’ve stolen your homes and land, they are”
That innocent civilians were targeted is not disputed. Instead, it is asserted that as the civilians were “the people who’ve stolen your homes and land”, they are in some way legitimate targets. What other reasonable interpretation is left in context?
Well they didnt avoid military personnel, they grabbed whoever they could. Its a bit different too when you consider all Israelis serve in their military by default.
How about this, you tell me what they should have done instead? Continued on as they were? Are you aware the IDF was killing a palestinian child per week all through 2023, PRIOR to October 7th?
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank
I’m not saying its right to hurt people, I’m saying there is only so much a community can take before things like this happen, and now its being used as an excuse to further kill and steal land, which is wrong.
Or how about foreign countries lobbying our government? Bad right? If russia had a PAC and was donating money to get laws passed that are favorable to Russia, we would rightly protest across the nation.
We allow the exact same thing for Israel and protesting that fact is now illegal in America. How’s that for moral consistency?
Rape is not resistance.
You tell em brother.
Oh, they didn’t avoid military personnel when killing civilians, if they had avoided military personnel when killing civilians, like all the truly great terrorists do, THEN it would be condemnable.
Jesus fucking Christ. I ask you to take a step back and re-examine this statement and its implications.
You do realize that a massive attack on an occupying power does not actually have to target civilians, right?
Yes, I am well-aware. I’ve condemned the situation in Palestine as a genocide many, many times before October 7th.
Before… what? Before a mafia pseudostate triggers an intensified period of war with the occupying power which looks damn well like it might result in a serious incident of genocide far in excess of previous attempts, by launching an attack by paramilitary forces on the ground (as opposed to rockets or bombs) that targeted civilians, because they want to puff themselves up to hold onto power?
Agreed,
Yep. AIPAC’s influence is awful, and should be strongly opposed, especially considering how deeply they’ve woven themselves into the current party system. Not really sure what that has to do with Hamas targeting civilians, though.
Don’t be silly.
I think its hypocritical everyone seems understanding of the Palestinians but wants to shout at them they are doing it wrong. They were already facing cultural genocide, it was already awful before the 7th.
Unless you lived in Gaza at the time I dont think westerners should be sitting here virtue signaling.
Americans do understand the occupier vs occupied you’d think considering their history with Britain, or Americas history with the “third world” but suddenly this one doesnt count.
The people being abused had been lashing out in every way they could before with no response. Its absurd to sit here and say the one thing they did that caused global outrage against Israel for their treatment of Palestinians was the wrong thing to do.
I would never hurt anyone, but im not Palestinian nor do I live under those conditions. If I did, I’d likely have a different perspective.
If you think targeting civilians in ethnic cleansing isn’t doing it wrong because you prefer their side of the conflict, we have nothing to talk about. Your position is no different than the excuses given by the Zionists.
I’m just not being a hyprocrit who says they agree with the Palestinians but knows better than them how to help their people.
This wasn’t the first attempt at a solution, this is nearly 80 years of events leading up to something.
The crowd of people who are using this as an opportunity to hang their perfect morals in front of the general public are cowards.
Except it’s not. It’s not ‘leading up to something’ like this was some bold, grand strike that’s never been tried before. This has been tried numerous times before, and the reaction from Israel is always the same. This isn’t 80 years of events leading up to something - this is an 80 year pattern whose only change is that Israel seems ready to right and truly finish their genocide attempt in Gaza - or make significant ‘progress’ in doing so.
So they should just give up right? What’s the way you would take to achieve peace as a Palestinian living in Gaza?
This may be radical, but you can perform attacks on an occupier without going out of your way to target civilians. Shocking, I know.
Collateral damage happens. Shit happens, especially with a less disciplined and organized force. But I’m not going to pretend that Hamas going in and murdering and kidnapping a bunch of civilians in addition to soldiers is some kind of laudable or acceptable course of action, nor will I pretend that it’s in some way wise or groundbreaking. This is the same old shit that’s been going on for the past 80 years - Israel is just feeling bold enough to respond the way the Israeli right has wanted to for a long time.