In an incredible display of just kind of saying stuff, 52-year-old liberal Isaac Shawn has announced that focusing on “trans issues” alienates the working class from the Democratic party, though he does not personally know a trans person, a working-class person, or anyone at the intersection of thes
I am working class. I have packed thousands of cases of avocados, boxed thousands of clothes in a factory, and only recently moved to teaching. Trans issues 100% do alienate everyone I work with. They are brought up by many different people to prove that white people are weak and perverted. This is coming from Sri Lankan garment workers, Vietnamese seamstresses and Mexican avocado packers.
L-o-L. You mean they are brought up by transphobic people to prove they are transphobic? Who in their fucking right mind use trans people as an excuse for working class issues?
All I said was the truth, do whatever toy want with it. I Didn’t excuse anything.
The only thing you are saying is that as there are transphobic people we should be ashamed of helping trans people because transphobic people can use that as a weapon against the working class problems. Im sorry but its the most stupid argument i have seen in a while. I am also working class, i have worked in a fast food restaurant, in a supermarket putting up the avocados you pack up and even picking up dog shit in the streets of my town, and i can tell you no one among 150+ people i worked with was worried about trans people in their working class problems.
What you’re saying is right, but there’s an important distinction between actively disparaging or hating on trans people and ignoring the issue.
The 150+ people have no issue with trans people, exactly as you say, bringing trans people to the forefront is not a problem but also not necessarily a priority or relevant in many of their minds. We can treat them like human beings who deserve protection and treatment like anyone else, but that doesn’t mean putting them on a pedestal at every moment.
Even advocates take issue when a campaign shoehorns in a token trans person with no real role, it’s very contrived. Progressives have to show that trans inclusivity matters to everyone by connecting it to themes and action that matter to a lot of people, not just tick boxes for each obligatory shout out to a marginalized group.
No argument was made. I am just responding with a true report from someone who has in fact met working clas speople, being one of them. They are on fact very transphobic,
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I feel like this article was shaming people for talking about things that affect working class people like the price of EGGS instead of focusing the conversation on trans people?
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Ok. Thanks. I think it might have been too clever for useful fucking idiots like me. So the article IS concerned about the price of EGGS?
“I’m not making an argument. I’m just making a statement that disagrees with your argument and claiming it is true. I will take no further questions because I will not actually try to defend what I’ve said. Other people said it.”
And how many trans people have you worked with?
Why would that matter? I am talking about working class peoples opinions.the answer is 1 roommate 1 lover 1 friend but it is irrelevant
Because the best way to fight bigotry is through exposure. This is why colleges and cities run more liberal - because that’s where people are introduced to and live around a wider variety of people and cultures and realize “Oh, they’re people, just like me.”
I’m working class. I’m trans. I’ve never met a Mexican farmer. If I said that I find caring about the issues that Mexicans face alienating, would the fact that I’ve never even met a Mexican matter? It absolutely would.
The fact that none of the people that you work with have probably ever known a single trans person is very important to how they’ve formed their opinions.
How much of the working class is trans?
iunno what % of working class is trans but 99.9% of trans people are working class.
of course we have to make sure we are using the same definition of “working class” and mine is “everyone but the 1%rs” so everyone.
I like the spirit of this reply. Go 99%! I guess that means working class victories are trans victories!
Damn straight.
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3-ish percentage at best, same as the general population, although most who are either won’t figure it out or will deny it to themselves.
That’s more than I expected tbh
“white people are weak and perverted”
White people have enslaved races of people and nearly eradicated others and now half of them are trying to be accepting of others and you won’t have it?
I don’t enter into it. This is a common opinion amongst people with whom I have worked.
You pack fruit. You can’t expect Mensa applicants.
Yeah, like a working class person.
Right no it’s not white people who have the majority of slaves on planet earth. Never has been.
Was that a claim being made?
Holy shit, it’s like you’re copying directly out of the alt-right’s “thinking is for pussies” playbook.
Are they really ok with a candidate who’s going to try to deport them (at best) or kill them (at worst) for not being white enough, just because they can’t get over their transphobia? If so, then we really are lost
Which is conservative propaganda. That’s not intrinsic to the working class, it’s intrinsic to watching fox news and listening to Russian state media call our military soft.
Wait are you saying the garment worker, seamstress and avocado packet are unaccepting of trans topics?
Yup. They bring them up as reasons why they don’t want their children going to public schools, they don’t want what they see as white perversions infecting their kids.
That’s just plain old transphobic ignorance, and rich people are guilty of that just as much as the working class.
So you work with idiots.
Yeah, people here don’t want to hear it, but unfortunately it’s the truth. You or I may care, the great majority of people have probably never even met a trans person, if they have they haven’t realized, they don’t see it as an important matter, not when we have the ecosystem on a destruction course and growing economic inequality (and they don’t care much about those if not that they are facing growing difficulties in their daily lives).
Sad but unsurprising to see a bona fide member of the working class downvoted for pointing out that some of the popular rhetoric is pointlessly divisive and does nothing to help the working class.
Many of todays activists seem to be doing anything but actually helping the various communities they are oh so eager to bully people on behalf of.
The folks I work with would never associate with the chronically online hexbear types you see here, the ones constantly blaming “crackers” for transphobia.
Hey these guys want you to have an actual standard of living. But they also want this thing completely irrelevant to you.
So fuck them right?
OP: States the opinions of the people around him.
Lemmy: FUCK YOU!!!
The people around me think OP is an idiot. I guess I can just state that the people around me call OP a hateful bigot and leave it at that.
I didn’t say it, the people I work with think it, so I don’t actually have to defend or take responsibility for posting it.