Migration is not a problem itself. It is uncontrolled migration that is. It is normal when you have a lot of people coming in your country that don’t get papers so they can’t find normal job, appartment etc that they will turn to criminality to survive. IMO I think it is inhuman to let people in these situations. I am far more for more border control and easily giving papers to people who want to come to the country than letting borders open and ignoring them and letting them rot in the street.
you either willfully or unknowingly spout far-right conspiracy theory between the lines.
migration is not only normal, but essential to the survival of the planet and each country/region. it’s a net positive.
we’ve gone so far out of our way to make it a “we” vs “them”, when there’s no “we” at all. there’s just rich people protecting their interests, trying (and suceeding) to divide the masses
You guys are so focused in your bi party that people being able to not see in black and white are always your political ennemy.
My point is I am 100% for giving more visa and in an easier way to people so they can live their lives in the system like everyone. I have friends that have no papers and have been living 5 years already and won’t have anything for at least five more years. This is not acceptable. They are working here (not officially of course since no visa) and paying tax.
But also we can’t welcome everyone too because the system couldn’t handle it. The state need to have a way to reduce and also increase when needed.
But right now here, you have some countries that will have access to visa in an instant but others that will do all the work we don’t want to do and have to wait sometimes 10 years to have access to papers.
Explain to me what is far right conspiracy in my point.
but also we can’t welcome everyone too because the system couldn’t handle it
That’s the far-right talking point strawman. Somehow “the system” can handle billionaires not paying taxes, it can handle big corporations getting bailouts, it can handle giving billions to war efforts. But it can’t “handle” people moving? Like they have always done?
And maybe we don’t need a system that “can’t handle” that. I can’t handle this system.
Yes totally agree with you if the rich and ultra rich payed tax in our country we could without a doubt handle this amount of people.
But the problem is that they aren’t. They aren’t because government (at least here in France) give them many tax gift etc but even without that you can’t tax a starbuck that is reporting only deficit because all their profit goes into buying product to starbuck netherlands.
We live in a globalize system where anyone with enought money can evade tax legally.
In a world where politicians would do this job for career but for the good of the people I would think taxing them would be possible. But the politicians won’t attack their biggest supports.
With that assumption all the remaining thing to do is to control more the incoming of people BUT give a lot more social to the one coming in the country.
And to be clear, I would like to live in a world where we could share the wealth in a better way but when you look at where the world is going I can’t force my self to not believe in it.
Yes they are ignored, when you refuse to give a visa to someone that has been living for years in your country, paying tax and doing the work no one want to do, you are in fact ignoring them.
When you don’t have paper where I am from you can’t get a real job, you can’t rent a normal flat with a contract. You have to live without guaranties like knowing you will work tomorrow or if you are going to sleep in your appartment.
Migration is not a problem itself. It is uncontrolled migration that is. It is normal when you have a lot of people coming in your country that don’t get papers so they can’t find normal job, appartment etc that they will turn to criminality to survive. IMO I think it is inhuman to let people in these situations. I am far more for more border control and easily giving papers to people who want to come to the country than letting borders open and ignoring them and letting them rot in the street.
That sounds like an argument for a robust social safety net, not an argument against immigration.
Also an argument against work restrictions.
It’s not like there isn’t anything that needs doing.
Unfortunately even the safest nets will tear if overloaded
[citation needed]
you either willfully or unknowingly spout far-right conspiracy theory between the lines.
migration is not only normal, but essential to the survival of the planet and each country/region. it’s a net positive. we’ve gone so far out of our way to make it a “we” vs “them”, when there’s no “we” at all. there’s just rich people protecting their interests, trying (and suceeding) to divide the masses
You guys are so focused in your bi party that people being able to not see in black and white are always your political ennemy.
My point is I am 100% for giving more visa and in an easier way to people so they can live their lives in the system like everyone. I have friends that have no papers and have been living 5 years already and won’t have anything for at least five more years. This is not acceptable. They are working here (not officially of course since no visa) and paying tax.
But also we can’t welcome everyone too because the system couldn’t handle it. The state need to have a way to reduce and also increase when needed. But right now here, you have some countries that will have access to visa in an instant but others that will do all the work we don’t want to do and have to wait sometimes 10 years to have access to papers.
Explain to me what is far right conspiracy in my point.
That’s the far-right talking point strawman. Somehow “the system” can handle billionaires not paying taxes, it can handle big corporations getting bailouts, it can handle giving billions to war efforts. But it can’t “handle” people moving? Like they have always done? And maybe we don’t need a system that “can’t handle” that. I can’t handle this system.
Yes totally agree with you if the rich and ultra rich payed tax in our country we could without a doubt handle this amount of people.
But the problem is that they aren’t. They aren’t because government (at least here in France) give them many tax gift etc but even without that you can’t tax a starbuck that is reporting only deficit because all their profit goes into buying product to starbuck netherlands. We live in a globalize system where anyone with enought money can evade tax legally.
In a world where politicians would do this job for career but for the good of the people I would think taxing them would be possible. But the politicians won’t attack their biggest supports.
With that assumption all the remaining thing to do is to control more the incoming of people BUT give a lot more social to the one coming in the country.
And to be clear, I would like to live in a world where we could share the wealth in a better way but when you look at where the world is going I can’t force my self to not believe in it.
Most “far right” people are exactly the kind that made the comment you reply to. I have a “friend” that became exactly like this.
So telling that I am 100% behind legalizing people and let them live and work normally is being far right ?
They’re not being ignored tho, they’re just not allowed to work
Yes they are ignored, when you refuse to give a visa to someone that has been living for years in your country, paying tax and doing the work no one want to do, you are in fact ignoring them. When you don’t have paper where I am from you can’t get a real job, you can’t rent a normal flat with a contract. You have to live without guaranties like knowing you will work tomorrow or if you are going to sleep in your appartment.
That’s why support for anti immigration parties is so concentrated in regions with few immigrants
This is definitely not the case in Sweden. During their last election it was the complete opposite.
And why do you think it’s like that?
Bigotry of small-minded people who live in communities that need more diversity.
Found one.
One ?