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The surge in online shopping, accelerated by COVID-19, has driven up the demand for package deliveries, and that demand continues to rise.
As traditional delivery methods contribute to urban traffic congestion and pollution, cargo bikes - a staple of bike-friendly countries like Denmark and the Netherlands - are becoming a common sight in cities across Europe as a sustainable and efficient alternative to vans.
These larger, typically electric bikes with separate carriers can transport a wide range of loads, from small parcels to larger items, making them ideal for urban deliveries.
In Europe, it is estimated that up to 50 per cent of motorised trips involving the transport of goods in cities could be made by cargo bikes and bicycles, according to a recent study.
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Ah, the oil Barrons had an AI bot made to drum up arguments & get data from defenders.
Still talks like a twat.
@14th_cylon @SteveKLord “A study from the University of Westminster, London, found that cargo bikes not only deliver faster than vans but also cut emissions by 90 per cent compared to diesel vans and when compared to electric vans reduce emissions by a third. “
that must have been some seriously specific circumstances.
Specific as being in an European city.
Not enough space for stopped vans everywhere.
and where do the bikes stop if there is not enough space?
Indoors, mostly. Garages underground that can either house 20–30 cars or literal thousands of bikes. Cargo bikes can stop on sidewalks since they don’t block foot traffic as much as a whole van would.
@14th_cylon @SteveKLord Which cargo bike models are the same size as delivery vans but with 1/50th of the capacity?
which cargo bike model has the same or better capacity as the van per footprint per time spent on the road?
Cargo bikes don’t need roads.
you might be thinking about airplanes.
I am always thinking about airplanes.
Are you suffering from an acute case of brain damage?
The footprint of a cargo bike is at most a fourth of your average delivery van
Cargo bikes are usually e-bikes, giving them a speed of at least 25 km/h. If you’re driving a van at 250 km/h in a city, that’s going to put you behind bars.
Baffling levels of ignorance.
yeah, no. the cargo bike needs width of a car lane and its not four times shorter. it will actually add to congestion when every car behind it has to change lane to go around.
maybe you have some really generous bike lanes somewhere, but they don’t lead to home of every one of your potential customer and, surprise, they also take a space.
that’s top speed. top speed of the car is somewhere else. and the average speed for both of them is somewhere else and if you believe that average speed of a bike is going to be in the same category as average speed of the car, then go, fly back to other pigeons and tell them you won.
cargo bike is not efficient alternative to a car, because it is far slower and has much lower capacity than the car, so you will deliver less cargo in longer time. or same cargo in same time using a LOT MORE bikes.
that doesn’t mean and i never said they don’t have its use-cases, but claiming it will solve the traffic congestion is wild exaggeration.
They definitely do not need the width of a car lane. The basket is usually the width of the handlebars so they fit in regular bike lanes just fine. And they’ll often turn a car lane into two bike lanes
If anything, electric bikes and scooters tend to get around FASTER than cars in European city centers
yes, that may be true in specific circumstances.
if they can fit in between two cars, waiting on light stop, they can get ahead of them. that maybe true in traffic jam in city center.
this advantage goes away once:
so not really useful for discussion about cargo bikes, is it?
this is lame, mod.
just because you don’t agree with post doesn’t mean it is not useful for discussion. are you so afraid of any kind of opposition?
I disagree with the mod’s decision, but for a different reason. Your ignorance should be on full display for everyone to see.
Yeah, these mods on these forums are out of control tbh