• nimpnin@sopuli.xyz
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    1 month ago

    Insane to start the plot at 45k. The rate of decline is rather minimal

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      In the last 3 months it went down by about 10,000 users. Comparing with the rate of increase in total Lemmy users, active user rate should have at least been stable. I guess we will have to wait for reddit to fuck up again for another influx. And Lemmy is only getting better with time so probably on every influx more users are going to stay.

      I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk

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          Right. Just make great lemmy content and screenshot it. Then when people ask for the source you provide the lemmy link

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            Or only mention it to people actively looking for an alternative. I see that from time to time, then I point them to /r/RedditAlternatives where most of the posts are about Lemmy

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        I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk

        Have you tried opening your comments from a private window? Sometimes they get shadow removed too

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      The starting point is just so you can adequately see trends for both plots shown and is quite sane. I also don’t know if I could call an ~5% decline and clear trend minimal either.

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        1 month ago

        If you start the plot at 0, you can distinguish between a strong trend, a weak trend and a lack of a trend. This one is terrible for gauging that.

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          All starting at 0 would do is ensure that you have no way to accurately gauge the data points values. It would also just compress the data to an incomprehensible smudge of a line.

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              Showing the data over an entirely different timescale than what’s currently under discussion means nothing in this context to illustrate your point.

              Starting from 0 on the y axis just means you need to change the scale, which like I said makes reading any data points incomprehensible, or end up with an unnecessary amount of whitespace.

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                If you start at 0, you see exactly what you’re supposed to: there is a rather negligible trend in the given timeframe.

                That’s the point. The number of users has very slightly declined in the past few months. Under the original plot, you have a lot of people (rightly) misinterpreting the data, and saying that a lot of users are leaving the site.

                That’s why you start at 0. So that people interpret the data correctly.

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                  If you start at zero, the exact same data is shown as when there is a clearly labeled breakpoint. It contributes nothing other than obscuring the data points and scope of discussion is only for the past month. You’re not making a cogent point.

                  Just like I said before, a 5% decline is not an insignificant drop or “very slightly declined.” Expanding the scope of the argument to show that it’s actually a far steeper decline in user engagement and then arguing the opposite point is misinterpreting the data. Expanding the scope just shows that the trends are continuously showing declining user engagement with no organic growth other than Reddit fucking up.