Discord defends itself against efforts to stop piracy on its platform by saying no to more invasive data collection. Even though Discord isn’t exactly known for privacy, this is a great move for its users. What are your thoughts?

    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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      2 months ago

      They do have to retrieve old messages when new users join though. I’m sure the government can force them to lett them in a server and unlock the roles

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
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        2 months ago

        Why?

        Why is channel history needed for new users?

        Back in the IRC days you joined a channel that was just empty, if you wanted the history you had to run an IRC client continously, I remember running screen irssi on a separate computer and sshing into the server, reconnecting the screen with irssi in it.

        If you want the history automatically, you can’t expect privacy.

        • Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          90% of the reason I even have discord is because people much smarter than me use it to share information. Nobody uses other areas suited for sharing information anymore. It’s either Reddit or discord.

          • stoy@lemmy.zip
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            2 months ago

            That is a good point, I have never done that, and to me it is just a chat system…

          • deathbird@mander.xyz
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            2 months ago

            Far more than should tbh. Too many little game mods will have a Discord for questions and reporting issues rather than using their GitHub or a forum.

            • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world
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              2 months ago

              Oh I agree, it’s very much a “forcing a round peg into a square hole” situation, but I doubt discord will make any changes to push back against it

              • deathbird@mander.xyz
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                2 months ago

                Oh I don’t think it’s a problem for Discord, but when it comes to software projects specifically I find the reliance on Discord frustrating because of its non-public orientation. If I’m having an issue I’d far rather search for a solution on a public wiki, bug report system, or forum than sign up for one more Discord server.

                • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world
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                  2 months ago

                  Because now you’re using discord for more things? You’re giving them more data? What’s not to like

                  • RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
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                    2 months ago

                    Doubt that they are scrapping the data themselves at this point in time. They care more about the user count as their major revenue seems focused on selling nitro and whatever shit they are putting up in their shop. Not in anyway saying that it is secure obviously and they might choose to sell data like reddit but gotta sick with the more plausible scenarios.

        • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
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          At the same time, expecting privacy in a room where a bunch of strangers hang out is already unreasonable. If everyone already in the channel can log the chats, for example by idling in the channel, then adding E2E on top of that is probably a false sense of security.

        • vithigar@lemmy.ca
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          I remember running screen irssi on a separate computer and sshing into the server, reconnecting the screen with irssi in it.

          I still do that today.

          • stoy@lemmy.zip
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            2 months ago

            Insults, very compelling argument!

            Go back to Reddit with that shit!

        • sugar_in_your_tea
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          2 months ago

          If you want the history automatically, you can’t expect privacy.

          That’s not true, you can pull the history from other users who happen to be online.

            • sugar_in_your_tea
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              2 months ago

              Sure, and the users of the channel could decide whether to share that history with new users or not. My point is that if you don’t have messages on the server, the service can’t help here, and it’s up to the users of the channel to set their own policies. If the data is stored on the server, the service could be legally obligated to provide that data.

        • rooster_butt@lemm.ee
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          I have an issue with something I’m using and there is a discord server I will join it. I then search my issue and its usually been adressed in the past. Without history I would be forced to ask the question that has probably been answered many times in the past.

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        2 months ago

        Keep the data but encrypted. Let users send links that contain the pki info to decrypt the messages. Have that pki info generated client side.

        Discord would only need to shuffle data, provide authentication, and provide the web app data down to the client. But every bit of user shared and generated content would be encrypted to them.

          • fruitycoder
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            2 months ago

            If the the pki is generated by users client side by a secret discord doesn’t control it wouldn’t be an issue.

            • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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              2 months ago

              Either you share the message history to new users (which includes feds) or you don’t have any history. I don’t understand what you mean

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                The server provides the data to authenticated users and helps facilitate pki between the clients.

                If someone is added by the server to have access to the data but wasn’t given a key capable of decryption by an actual user they wouldn’t have actual access, just encrypted data.