An analysis of the MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

An analysis of the Gaza MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

  • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    316·
    2 months ago

    Stop with the genocide accusations. It’s offensive to people who have actually suffered genocides.

    • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
      112·
      2 months ago

      My ancestors did. They went through the Holocaust. Israel is committing a genocide.

      • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        413·
        2 months ago

        It isn’t a genocide just because you say it is.

        And it is nothing like the Holocaust. Not even remotely similar. There is literally nothing, not a single thing, that is similar.

        • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
          71·
          2 months ago

          Similarly, it isn’t not a genocide just because the perpetrators say it isn’t.

          Many experts and scholars do make the claim that this is genocide, and frankly a significant section of the world that doesn’t have a direct vested interest (i.e. not involved) seems to be of the opinion that it is.

          • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            28·
            2 months ago

            Most people are painfully ignorant about Israel and soak up the propaganda they see on TikTok.

            An accusation of genocide is a pretty serious accusation and the onus is on people who make the accusation to prove the case. You don’t get to call it genocide just because you hate Israel.

            • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
              51·
              2 months ago

              No, but as I said plenty of experts and scholars are calling it one. I believe the ICJ said that it is “plausible,” which I taken to mean that it is inconclusive. Consider that this was many months ago before the more recent escalations.

              For my own part, I’m neither an expert nor do I have enough reliable, unbiased information to make any sort of assertion on the topic. Reasonably, I can only defer to the experts and try to filter out sources that have a vested interested (in either direction). There are experts saying both yes and no, so it really comes down to who you trust.

              • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
                13·
                2 months ago

                Newsflash: lots of these “experts” hate Israel. Same reason why they seem single-mindedly focused on such a tiny country with all the other atrocities and human rights abuses happening around the world. Did you know that just yesterday the Turkish military was bombing the Kurds?

                And no, the ICJ did not rule that it is plausible Israel is committing genocide. This is a popular misconception. The former head of the ICJ clarified the ruling: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919

                “Ms Donoghue explained that the court decided the Palestinians had a “plausible right” to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court.”

                In other words, the court basically said the case can move forward. That’s it.

                Unfortunately, there is no unbiased information about Israel. Even the so-called experts are biased. Israel is arguably the most divisive country on the planet (which seems odd for such a tiny country of only 9 million citizens) and anybody writing about it does so because they have strong opinions about it.

                • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
                  3·
                  2 months ago

                  Well, nothing is going to convince you that Israel might (not necessarily is, but might) be committing genocide since you are just going to claim that experts from multiple nations and walks of life sre biased.

                  In other words, the court basically said the case can move forward. That’s it.

                  One could reasonably conclude that this means the case is inconclusive. The case hasn’t been dismissed, but it hasn’t rendered a verdict of guilty or acquittal either. The question is still open.

                  nd anybody writing about it does so because they have strong opinions about it.

                  You do appear to have already made up your mind on this matter. You have other comments authoritatively proclaiming that Israel is not guilty.

                  • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    13·
                    2 months ago

                    Of course nothing is going to convince me of that because the facts simply don’t support it. By the way, did you know that during the 2014 war in Gaza, when the death toll was around 2500, people were accusing Israel of committing genocide then too? Anti-Zionists deliberately stretch the bounds of these concepts to make Israel a pariah. Just keep throwing accusations around and eventually something will stick. And even if it doesn’t, Israel’s enemies will continue to believe it anyway. This is a longstanding part of their propaganda strategy.

                    One could reasonably conclude that this means the case is inconclusive. The case hasn’t been dismissed, but it hasn’t rendered a verdict of guilty or acquittal either. The question is still open.>

                    No, it literally means nothing other than, “We, the ICJ, can hear this case.”

        • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
          51·
          2 months ago

          Oh yeah, the singularity of the Holocaust. The same kind of thinking that empowers Germany to aide countries in committing all kinds of atrocities all around the world just because those will never be THE Holocaust, so it’s okay.

          • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            29·
            2 months ago

            The Holocaust was unique and when someone feels the need to downplay it, that reflects very poorly on them.

            • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
              91·
              2 months ago

              Every single genocide is unique. Not just the holocaust. Including the one committed in Palestine at the hands of the zionists nowadays.