“liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.’ Mikhail Bakunin

  • Ferrous@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    19 hours ago

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      11 hours ago

      Who decides what a person needs?

      On the face, I think the idea “from each according to their needs, to each according to their ability” sounds reasonable. But if you have ever done any logistics work, then you know it is a childishly simplistic fantasy.

      There is no way you could possibly keep track of the many resources and services that are needed in a modern, complex society and distribute them usefully before the people who need them die of old age (or starvation). As you try to centralize tracking of everything the administrative problems grow exponentially, and never mind building the actual distribution network. No government-managed system could ever keep up with the needs of a growing, changing society.

      • Ferrous@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        3 hours ago

        It is widely believed that while the Soviet Union may have produced these benefits, in the end, Soviet public ownership and planning proved to be unworkable. Otherwise, how to account for the country’s demise? Yet, when the Soviet economy was publicly owned and planned, from 1928 to 1989, it reliably expanded from year to year, except during the war years. To be clear, while capitalist economies plunged into a major depression and reliably lapsed into recessions every few years, the Soviet economy just as unfailingly did not, expanding unremittingly and always providing jobs for all

        https://gowans.blog/2012/12/21/do-publicly-owned-planned-economies-work/

        • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 hour ago

          A random biased unknown blogger is your evidence that socialism works?

      • SGforce@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        14 hours ago

        Just the highly centralised power structure and the single party consisting entirely of nepotism.

        • boonhet@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          11 hours ago

          Yes, but you see, this is true freedom. You can only have real economic freedom, political choice and self-determination in a system where there’s only one party and they control aspects of your life you didn’t need controlling, such as how much food you’re allowed to buy.

          To be fair, yes, there were times in the soviet union were rationing of specific foods was a good idea, because there just wasn’t enough for everyone otherwise. But still the thought that a single party can unilaterally decide how much you can eat is pretty damn scary.

          • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            11 hours ago

            Yeah, there’s no person or group of people on this planet I would trust to equitably distribute resources like food and water, or decide what medical services count as needs for me or my family.