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    Not voting is a choice as well. A choice that will make it so that your voice will not have an impact on whether the candidate that kills more will win, or the candidate that kills less. Choosing to abstain is an announcement that you don’t care about those whose lives are being threatened, the opposite of what you seem to think it is.

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      2 months ago

      A great Canadian philosopher once said “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!”

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      Honestly my ideology on it is the same as my parents and my grandparents, and even my great grandparents ideology.

      I don’t care who you vote for, what you vote for, or your reasoning’s for doing do.

      But if you refuse to vote, regardless of reason, you lose any say in complaining about what happens as a result, as you actively did nothing to help prevent it, meaning you have no right to bitch about the outcome.

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      the candidate that kills more will win, or the candidate that kills less

      The most infuriating thing about you nazi motherfuckers is you still have the fucking gall to believe you’re better than the other side

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      Not voting is a choice as well.

      Yes, but I don’t have any other choice, myself.

      Choosing to abstain is an announcement that you don’t care

      No, it’s an announcement that I care so much about innocent people dying that I am morally conflicted about being asked to be part of a political system which condones it.

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        asked to be part of a political system

        But, you’re not being asked. You already are. You don’t get to pretend you’re not, just because you didn’t give your permission. This isn’t an opt-in situation.

        And I get that maybe you feel that isn’t fair, and I agree it isn’t. Just like none of us asked to be born, none of us asked to be part of society either. But we are, and we have to deal with that now.

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          They don’t have a choice, because Samvega is not an American citizen. They are a troll and they only thing they do is say the same exact comments in every post. Don’t bother engaging with them.

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            Even a non American citizen has a choice in this. If they aren’t American, they can’t vote, but people that can vote can be influenced by the words of others (otherwise, such trolls wouldn’t exist, after all, they’d have no point), and someone outside the country can still choose what to say.

            I’m not really convinced that foreign operations are terribly active on a platform this small, or that these people truly are such an operation, but if for the sake of argument they are, and the user in question happens to be one, I’m not sure that non-engagement actually helps. “Don’t feed the trolls” is standard advice for dealing with traditional trolls, that are just out to make people mad and will move on if ignored. But a person being paid to shape the narrative isn’t going to just get bored and quit, they’re going to keep doing what they’re paid to do, and people are at some level influenced to align with ideas that they think are popular among the people around them, so letting them make a bunch of uncontested arguments still lets them shape a narrative through volume.

            On a platform like this, that doesn’t have engagement algorithms that will boost the words of someone you interact with, I feel that it makes more sense to drown out trolls of the foreign kind, so that others who see them get the impression that what they say is not popular. One just has to keep in mind, if one truly believes that one is arguing with such a person, that your goal in arguing is no longer either to refine your ideas or convince the other person of yours, but to convince other people who see the argument of them.

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              Even a non American citizen has a choice in this.

              I’m going to stop you right there.
              No.
              Non citizens do not have a choice, because they cannot vote in the US elections.

              I’m sorry you wasted typing everything else, because I’m not going to read any of it if it has the same nonsense logic as that first sentence.

              Samvega is a known troll. Don’t defend them.

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                My point was literally that people can be persuaded to do things by talking to them (to include US citizens being persuaded by people outside the US, for good or ill). If you dont believe that to be the case, why make an argument for anything?

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                  My point is don’t spend all day everyday trying to influence people in another country on how to vote.

                  I don’t care how you want to defend the troll.

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                    If you have opinions on the world and talk about them publicly in a space people in other countries can see, you do that to some extent without even meaning to.

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        Hey friend what happened to your account? I wanted to see how you were doing after the election. Stinks that you’re not here anymore. Hope you’re doing ok.