I know trans athletes excelling at their chosen sports is exceptionally rare, but is there already one website that has all the historical and updated statistics that so far show there’s no significant statistical trans advantage(transvantage!) that we can see from trans athletes going back decades?
so every time someone says “sure but if you used to be a boy, then the muscle fibers-”
and you can just be like “go to this site”.
“here are the numbers”.
when I looked up the numbers last year, I had to pop around to many different sites and read different articles, but I imagine somewhere someone must have already pulled all this together.
Can you please provide the link to the website?
That’s what I’m looking for.
when I looked before there was just a whole bunch of different websites and I had to find one athlete at a time or one statistic at a time, but there must be some website that has centralized those numbers somewhere.
I was hoping someone here would know.
maybe there isn’t one yet.
If a site tracking that data proved there was an advantage would it change your opinion on trans inclusion in sports?
Yes, that’s why I looked it up in the first place.
in the beginning, I was like I don’t know. would they have a huge advantage?
I know Serena Williams said she never wanted to play against men because she thought they were faster and stronger, but then Billie Jean King won the battle of the sexes so…
then after Rogan talked about the one trans weightlifter and everyone lost their mind about trans athletes via extrapolation, I was like oh shit. is that happening all the time?
so I looked it up, and it’s like no, that’s the only trans athlete that has ever excelled in their chosen sport.
an anomaly.
but yeah of course, if the data comes out and it turns out that Trans women are crushing in 90% of strength sports then some acknowledgment or accommodation would have to be made.
which I think would be as simple as an asterisk* or open leagues.
so far, there’s no data supporting that weird groupthink floating around, though.
men who become women don’t seem to have any significant statistical advantage in sports, as far as I can find.
The way this is phrased seems to imply - at least to me - that the two statements are different. That’s what the “previously said” can be used to indicate. But saying it’s bad to ban trans people is the same is saying it’s bad to not let them play.
I’d prefer it written as " Lesbian congresswoman Angie Craig, who is seeking her fourth term in Congress, has been consistent in saying that it is wrong to discriminate against trans women joining female teams.
“No state should allow discrimination against LGBTQ+ foster children or adoptive parents who can provide a safe and loving home,” she said at the time.
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Gender segregated sports are not the answer long term. Women’s teams are already treated like second class citizens even in sports where there is little biological advantage between the bimodal sex expressions of male and female.
The best solution I have seen is treating sports like weight classes in boxing, based on whatever advantage criteria there is for that sport. This may still act as a gender segregator in practice, but it allows anyone to compete at the level they are able without questioning their gender identity or sex characteristics.
Your idea is interesting. Can you tell me how it would apply to something like high school basketball? If, when I was in high school, we had a series of teams determined by skill level, we would probably have 12 or 15 teams before any biological females could have participated. But there’s no way my high school had the resources to field 12 or 15 teams. Not enough court space, coaching staff, etc. So the practical result would be that nobody with XX genes would have an opportunity to play. Is there something in your line of thought that would help with this type of situation?
Oh, I’m not really interested in arguing the minutia of implementation here, just presenting an alternative approach. You can find out more in this video from Mia Mulder if you’d like!
Trans women do not have sporting advantage over cis women, so segregating them from cis women is appealing to bigots and people ignorant of the data at the cost of one of the most vulnerable communities in society.
It is unacceptable.
