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    25 days ago

    Have you tried actually asking Palestinians what they want you to do to help them? Because it seems like you fell for pro-Trump astroturfing and have confused obstinance for morality.

    So read that letter and take the action they’re asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.

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      25 days ago

      So is donating money so they can get food, water, and medical supplies not helping them now? I don’t understand. Morality is definitely the issue here. It begins and ends on the very personal decision of not wanting to vote for genocide. Any relation to what the Trump campaign is doing is coincidental. The only thing I’m obstinate about is not throwing my support behind genocidists.

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        25 days ago

        And Palestinians are telling you that “not wanting to vote for genocide” will make their situation worse.

        So, again, take the action they’re asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives. Because it sounds to me like you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.

        Options are Genocide Lite with a chance of less genocide, and Genocide Xtra Strength with the certainly of additional genocide. Your refusal to vote Genocide Lite is tacit support for Genocide Xtra Strength. Which is the greater moral good, obstructing Genocide Xtra Strength, or helping Genocide Xtra Strength? Because no matter how loud you whistle while you polish that halo, your actions are helping Genocide Xtra Strength and you’ll have to carry that disgrace to the grave.

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          25 days ago

          This discussion keeps going in circles. I’m not voting for a politician that is pro genocide, lite or otherwise.

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            24 days ago

            Actual Palestinians: Please, we’re begging you, we know the Biden response since Oct 7 has been disappointing, but things will be much worse under Trump. Please, please, keep Trump out of the White House, if he wins we’re doomed.

            Some smug moralizing bastard on the Internet: lol both sides

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              24 days ago

              Call me a bastard if you want, at least I’m not using strawmen and ad hominem to defend supporting a genocide.

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                24 days ago

                It’s not ad hominem to call you a bastard for being a bastard, it would be an ad hominem to say your argument is wrong because you’re a bastard. You’re a bastard because your argument is so wrong, not vice versa.

                And what strawman? I literally linked you an actual letter by actual Palestinians actually imploring you to vote Harris if you care about them at all, and your response was literally “both sides”.

                Unless you’d like to enlighten the rest of us why your opinion on the matter is more valid than that of a coalition of Palestinians and Muslim Americans?

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                  24 days ago

                  If both sides are dedicated to genocide, is it really both sides? Or is it really one side playing as two? You’ve allowed a political party to convince you that genocide is not only acceptable and supportable, but defendable as well. Where does that end, I wonder? What can’t they convince you to be in support of, mein kumpel?

                  I don’t need a coalition of anybody to tell me that even genocide lite is wrong, and should not be supported in any way.

                  I have only my opinion, and I’m not going to change yours any readily than you are to change mine, as we are opposed to this on a fundamental level. I do believe an impasse had been reached, as further discussion on this topic seems pointless.

                  Although I disagree with you, I respect your dedication, as misguided as it may seem to me.

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                    24 days ago

                    I will take that as your admission that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives. Thank you for confirming.