Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn’t fucking matter… it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I’m tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can’t be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.
The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.
Did you even read my comment? Gen z split along gender lines, especially the Latino and white vote, as seen above. It was a big issue for gen z, but clearly, given the demographics of voters and exit poll answers, Gaza had very little to do with the outcome of this election. Please go fucking read about what happened in the election before making more arguments in which you have no idea what you’re talking about. Like, fuck, just read about it before commenting.
There’s 13 million votes missing and you don’t think there’s any chance of a significant group of Gen Z men being in that group? Gen Z men went for Trump by 2 percentage points. You don’t think there’s 2 percentage points of Gen Z men who decided not to vote because of the biggest issue polled among gen Z men?
And if Gaza and Michigan wasn’t a big deal then why are you even here? The entire discussion in this thread is about Gaza posters. Michigan going red is a pretty big fucking deal. It’s what pushes this from a tip over to a solid win for Trump. Even if Harris got PA, she wouldn’t have won and what percentage of Democrats stayed home in PA because she ran a neoliberal campaign?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Gaza was not the biggest issue among gen z voters and while there is a chance that young men didn’t vote for Kamala because of that, it’s much more likely it was general disdain for the democratic candidate. 14 million voters can’t be explained by gen z in any way shape or form anyway, considering the number of gen z voters that did show up. Why am I here? Because it’s fun to use lemmy and have discussions about politics.
Michigan going red is not a big deal. This is an almost exact repeat of trumps 2016 electoral victory yet you’re acting like he’s treading new ground entirely lmfao. Yes, even if Harris got PA she wouldn’t have won, but after PA was lost, literally nothing else mattered. There was exactly zero chance she won without PA whereas she actually had a path to victory without Michigan. I personally live in PA and I can tell you that I know exactly zero democrats that didn’t vote because of Gaza. Fun fact about that too: I was literally going door to door doing political canvassing, and what I can tell you, overwhelmingly, is that anybody whose top issue was Gaza was easily convinced that Harris is the better choice, whereas tons of men my age (older gen z) were intending to vote Trump because of the economy and inflation, and though he is completely indefensible economically, these were the significantly harder group to convince. If you want to go bring me some numbers as to why you’re right feel free, but so far ALL anecdotal and empirical evidence that I’ve seen shows Gaza not to have been a big issue this election.
I didn’t say they were the entire gap. I said I’m pretty sure you can find 2 more percentage points of Gen Z men in that 13 million. And it’s obviously the biggest issue. We were bombarded with polls showing it was a big issue. It’s the only issue on which they had protest camps setup and barricaded their schools. Saying they had the same concerns as Millennials and Gen X is just ridiculous.
or you know the fact you supported their friends getting arrested and told them that ‘there must be order’ I’m sure that absolutely help win them to your side.
Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn’t fucking matter… it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I’m tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can’t be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.
The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.
Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z, and blaming the voters for not liking you has never ever made them vote for you.
Did you even read my comment? Gen z split along gender lines, especially the Latino and white vote, as seen above. It was a big issue for gen z, but clearly, given the demographics of voters and exit poll answers, Gaza had very little to do with the outcome of this election. Please go fucking read about what happened in the election before making more arguments in which you have no idea what you’re talking about. Like, fuck, just read about it before commenting.
There’s 13 million votes missing and you don’t think there’s any chance of a significant group of Gen Z men being in that group? Gen Z men went for Trump by 2 percentage points. You don’t think there’s 2 percentage points of Gen Z men who decided not to vote because of the biggest issue polled among gen Z men?
And if Gaza and Michigan wasn’t a big deal then why are you even here? The entire discussion in this thread is about Gaza posters. Michigan going red is a pretty big fucking deal. It’s what pushes this from a tip over to a solid win for Trump. Even if Harris got PA, she wouldn’t have won and what percentage of Democrats stayed home in PA because she ran a neoliberal campaign?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Gaza was not the biggest issue among gen z voters and while there is a chance that young men didn’t vote for Kamala because of that, it’s much more likely it was general disdain for the democratic candidate. 14 million voters can’t be explained by gen z in any way shape or form anyway, considering the number of gen z voters that did show up. Why am I here? Because it’s fun to use lemmy and have discussions about politics.
Michigan going red is not a big deal. This is an almost exact repeat of trumps 2016 electoral victory yet you’re acting like he’s treading new ground entirely lmfao. Yes, even if Harris got PA she wouldn’t have won, but after PA was lost, literally nothing else mattered. There was exactly zero chance she won without PA whereas she actually had a path to victory without Michigan. I personally live in PA and I can tell you that I know exactly zero democrats that didn’t vote because of Gaza. Fun fact about that too: I was literally going door to door doing political canvassing, and what I can tell you, overwhelmingly, is that anybody whose top issue was Gaza was easily convinced that Harris is the better choice, whereas tons of men my age (older gen z) were intending to vote Trump because of the economy and inflation, and though he is completely indefensible economically, these were the significantly harder group to convince. If you want to go bring me some numbers as to why you’re right feel free, but so far ALL anecdotal and empirical evidence that I’ve seen shows Gaza not to have been a big issue this election.
I didn’t say they were the entire gap. I said I’m pretty sure you can find 2 more percentage points of Gen Z men in that 13 million. And it’s obviously the biggest issue. We were bombarded with polls showing it was a big issue. It’s the only issue on which they had protest camps setup and barricaded their schools. Saying they had the same concerns as Millennials and Gen X is just ridiculous.
Your anecdotal evidence is not empirical.
It was a convenient excuse for their apathy.
Even if it was, you can not win by berating the people whose votes you need. You just can’t.
And if that was their biggest issue they have a point. If the choice is genocide or genocide then why even bother?
or you know the fact you supported their friends getting arrested and told them that ‘there must be order’ I’m sure that absolutely help win them to your side.