• pelespiritM
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    15 days ago

    This was mostly sexism, straight up. If it had been Obama, he would have won by a landslide.

    I was listening to This American Life where they were interviewing the Muslims in Michigan (*could have been another state, not sure). They said they were going to vote for Trump, … because? They said it was because Harris didn’t speak to them, but surely they remember the Muslim ban or the Gold Star family getting shit on by trump. I had a strong feeling then, they were just looking for an excuse. If that could happen to them, it could happen to all of the other men in America. Cuz less face it, we’re more sexist than we are racist because it’s across all demographics. Racism is categorized into departments.

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      15 days ago

      sadly I have to agree with this, I definitely think its a mix of both sexism and racism. For many that was a “quiet part”. I also had that experience, being an independent has let me talk to both sides since I was swaying either way and well, that was a reoccurring trait that I saw when asking friends who voted for trump why they did.

      For democratic voters it was always “I can’t let Trump win because he’s an offensive racist prick” and for republican voters if it wasn’t abortion first thing, it was generally a no statement, usually it was a “i don’t actually like trump, but I can’t vote for the other side, she doesn’t follow my values” or something similar, but if you actually pushed for said values, no value was ever provided.

      This doesn’t help the fact that many people are just so sick of mainstreamed politics that they are actively ignoring it. Which means that they just fall into whatever name they have heard in their experiences. unfortunately that is not something that is going to be able to be fixed by either side. Many friends who were unable to give reasons were also part of that category. The “I hate politics, everyone sucks and I am either not voting, or just going to vote what I’m used to voting” Many of them have no clue about half of the stuff that he did in the first place so theres nothing for them to dislike. They just don’t watch anything political, so their news sources are twitter, and ads that appear as they surf the web.

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        15 days ago

        Many of them have no clue about half of the stuff that he did in the first place so theres nothing for them to dislike. They just don’t watch anything political, so their news sources are twitter, and ads that appear as they surf the web.

        How is this part happening? It really is our media being taken over by billionaires and product placed into echo chambers.

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          14 days ago

          Doesn’t matter what the media does if people no longer consume it.

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            14 days ago

            Yes, we should consume less media. Will that happen for most of America? I doubt it.

            I remember cutting off most media when I was super young and actually missing the commercials. They were comforting or something? Very odd, I still ponder that.

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      14 days ago

      That brings an interesting moral dilemma.

      Knowing that half of the population are, if not outright, very comfortable with, racists and sexists should the democrats have presented a candidate a traditional older cis white male instead of a blasian female ?

      Basically, is it ok be making racist choices to beat the racist party or lose with integrity ?

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        14 days ago

        I think we know the answer to that now. We’re actually more sexist than Mexico, lol.

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        14 days ago

        Pragmatism and utilitarianism say yes, in the same way it is morally okay to kill a Nazi without just cause.