Yup. As long as the Supreme Court is controlled by an ultra-conservative majority it’s game over. They ultimately decide America’s trajectory. And this election basically cemented that majority for the rest of our lives.
definitely sucks right now, but this could spur Supreme Court reform or election reform, Trump could get convicted or impeached on one of the many cases he has coming up, he could die, he could fully go dementia, you’d have Vance, but he does not have the same selfish appeal that dumps does.
The US might be lost, but I doubt it.
I don’t think this is the worst timeline. there are way worse timelines.
in one timeline that Russian sergeant or whatever didn’t stop his commanding submarine officer from shooting a nuke in retaliation from a false radar reading and starting World War III to 50 years ago.
and then another Russian co-pilot didn’t stop his co-pilot from shooting a nuke in retaliation from a false radar reading The captured some geese.
I mean that’s two times we got pretty big reprieves in this timeline.
definitely sucks right now, but this could spur Supreme Court reform or election reform
Even under the best circumstances reforming the SC would be extremely unlikely because it would require a super majority. Same with election reform. Our government, in its entirety, will now be run by extremists who literally ran on deconstructing our government and replacing it with something in their image. The way our government has worked our entire lives is likely over.
Trump could get convicted or impeached on one of the many cases he has coming up
Trump is effectively king now. SC made him immune to any and all prosecution while president. Laws only work if the will of the people make them work. The majority of Americans just crowned a king. They aren’t going to make those laws work. You will not see justice for Trump’s crimes now. That possibility is gone.
he could die, he could fully go dementia,
Doesn’t matter. He will be replaced and nothing about this timeline will change.
I don’t think this is the worst timeline. there are way worse timelines.
I mean, obviously. But considering the two timelines we had an option to be on, we chose the worst. And it’s going to be very, very bad for average Americans.
Roberts, Thomas et al would keel over from heart attacks, Trump would have an attack of conscience and elect compassionate, wise judges.
I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.
there’s just too much historical evidence going against your theory of defeatist inevitability/futility
Such as?
many of dumps past, current and upcoming cases definitively do not have to do with his presidency and occurred outside of his presidency completely.
Do you honestly think that matters now? Everything we’ve seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE being crowned king. He will not be held accountable for any of his crimes. You can take me to the bank on that one.
this has happened uncountable times throughout just US history
What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.
not really. Trump didn’t get fined $100 million and lose two court cases solely because of the will of the people.
Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?
already seen it a few times
Being convicted of a crime is not justice if one does not end up suffering repercussions along with those convictions.
this is ridiculous and has zero evidence to support it.
If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes. GOP still calling the shots. Trump is a useful idiot. Nothing more. His presence doesn’t matter now that he’s completed his primary objective, which was to get the GOP back in power.
that this is not the worst timeline was obvious to me.
It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us. I’m not entertaining timelines in which aliens invade or Big Foot runs for governor. I was talking about the two realistic timelines diverging because of the 2024 election. I didn’t think I needed to specify, but apparently I did for the contrarians out there.
you believe in timelines, but you believe there are only two at any specific moment?
Let it go. Being an edgelord isn’t necessary here.
oh yeah. almost all Americans. but you know they voted for it so…
Here is where we agree. 2016 could be chalked up to people being desperate for change and choosing to gamble on an unknown. Although to anyone that bothered to know anything about Donald Trump, he wasn’t an unknown and we knew it would be an awful mistake. And he didn’t win the popular vote, so he was forced on us by a minority. However, in 2024, we gleefully placed him back in power with a majority. This is squarely on Americans and we absolutely deserve the suffering that’s coming. People in other countries that will be affected by this don’t though.
The good news is that no one is hurt more by conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives. But I’m sure they’ll find someone else to blame once the real suffering sets in. They always do.
“I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.”
what do you think scenarios are?
“Such as?”
Just to keep it simple, literally 4 years ago when everyone assumed Trump was inevitably going to win and was crying and making their silly little defeatist memes and comments, and then Biden kicked his ass and enacted remarkably progressive legislation that changed the country.
“Do you honestly think that matters now?”
of course it does.
you don’t understand how the legal system works even at a basic level.
which you’ll need to understand before you can comprehend the number of elements at play and the legal system and how they work together in real life and not the rain clouds you’re tucking yourself under.
“Everything we’ve seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes”.
you are completely incorrect again.
he’s a 34 time convicted felon, he’s already had to pay $100 million and lost multiple court cases.
“not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE”
he literally was held accountable multiple times already and he’s still under indictment in many cases with more upcoming.
Shoot, it’ll be illegal for him to vote as soon as he’s sentenced.
you’re completely wrong and ignorant of his legal status and his past consequences.
“You can take me to the bank on that one.”
you’re bankrupt, you are already wrong on both false assumptions.
“What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.”
how?
that makes no sense.
you mean this one person was literally never elected to a second term at the exact moment in history?
I guess, but someone was going to be elected. turns out it was dumps.
“If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes”
you’re afraid, fine, but your fear doesn’t mean anything is inevitable or futile.
think about all these basic facts you’ve been wrong about just talking to one guy on the internet.
you think it didn’t matter that Hitler was the one who took control of Germany, that Napoleon was just a chance roll of the dice and anybody could have taken his place?
No, demagogues are a very specific type of people who act in a very specific way.
jd Vance would not have inspired a violent riot.
Trump specifically did.
The figurehead matters, you just lack the historical knowledge and context to see that.
you aren’t saying anything valid, you’re exhibiting anxiety and making demonstrably false assumptions.
“Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?”
Yes. again, he’s out $100 million, with 400 more on the line, he’s about to be sentenced for his felony convictions,his time is being wasted in court constantly. and more cases are coming up, wasting more of his time.
you’re lucky i like teaching.
it’s startling the amount you don’t know while still willing to repeat certain tangentially related phrases you’ve heard before.
“It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us”
again, it is illogical and absurd to believe in timelines and also believe there are only two.
expand your mind.
and seriously, try not to talk about things you have such limited knowledge about.
however cool you think empty cynical buzzwords are, they reflect poorly on you and render any points you’re trying to make completely impotent.
or at least ask in a more respectful way.
you sound like you’re pouting but desperate to learn more from me.
holding your breath until your face turns blue, but like peeking over your shoulder at me to make sure I’m watching haha.
you can just ask politely and I will explain how these things work or provide the historical context you lack.
you’re not fooling anybody pretending you know anything about these subjects by making clearly false statements.
he doesn’t need to since he already has absolute legal immunity according to the Supreme Court.
The president is now absolutely immune from all legal prosecution as long as it pertains to a “official duty”.
The constitution is vague enough about official presidential duties that the official duties of the president can literally be anything.
Trump, and future presidents, are functionally immune from any legal consequences for any actions they take.
At least certain courts may interpret “official duty” differently…
doesn’t really matter while the Supreme Court has a conservative majority, unfortunately.
Yup. As long as the Supreme Court is controlled by an ultra-conservative majority it’s game over. They ultimately decide America’s trajectory. And this election basically cemented that majority for the rest of our lives.
We just placed ourselves on the worst timeline.
definitely sucks right now, but this could spur Supreme Court reform or election reform, Trump could get convicted or impeached on one of the many cases he has coming up, he could die, he could fully go dementia, you’d have Vance, but he does not have the same selfish appeal that dumps does.
The US might be lost, but I doubt it.
I don’t think this is the worst timeline. there are way worse timelines.
in one timeline that Russian sergeant or whatever didn’t stop his commanding submarine officer from shooting a nuke in retaliation from a false radar reading and starting World War III to 50 years ago.
and then another Russian co-pilot didn’t stop his co-pilot from shooting a nuke in retaliation from a false radar reading The captured some geese.
I mean that’s two times we got pretty big reprieves in this timeline.
Even under the best circumstances reforming the SC would be extremely unlikely because it would require a super majority. Same with election reform. Our government, in its entirety, will now be run by extremists who literally ran on deconstructing our government and replacing it with something in their image. The way our government has worked our entire lives is likely over.
Trump is effectively king now. SC made him immune to any and all prosecution while president. Laws only work if the will of the people make them work. The majority of Americans just crowned a king. They aren’t going to make those laws work. You will not see justice for Trump’s crimes now. That possibility is gone.
Doesn’t matter. He will be replaced and nothing about this timeline will change.
I mean, obviously. But considering the two timelines we had an option to be on, we chose the worst. And it’s going to be very, very bad for average Americans.
“Even under the best circumstances reforming the SC would be extremely unlikely”
No, under the best circumstances it would be extremely likely.
Roberts, Thomas et al would keel over from heart attacks, Trump would have an attack of conscience and elect compassionate, wise judges.
or Hakeem Jeffr ies is persuasive than Trump and everyone commits to Court reform.
“now be run by extremists who literally ran on deconstructing our government and replacing it with something in their image.”
they’ll certainly try.
there’s just too much historical evidence going against your theory of defeatist inevitability/futility.
“The way our government has worked our entire lives is likely over.”
this has happened uncountable times throughout just US history, but especially recently when the president was afforded absolutely legal immunity.
I’d say that decision was more ultimately significant than Trump being elected.
“SC made him immune to any and all prosecution while president”
many of dumps past, current and upcoming cases definitively do not have to do with his presidency and occurred outside of his presidency completely.
“Laws only work if the will of the people make them work.”
not really. Trump didn’t get fined $100 million and lose two court cases solely because of the will of the people.
he went to court because of the legal system, and he lost those legal battles three times recently.
“The majority of Americans just crowned a king.”
a chubsy jester, but sure.
“You will not see justice for Trump’s crimes now. That possibility is gone.”
already seen it a few times, probably going to see it again.
“Doesn’t matter. He will be replaced and nothing about this timeline will change.”
this is ridiculous and has zero evidence to support it.
dumps is the zealot catalyst here, the person in the seat pretending to fellate and stroke microphones is very important.
If you don’t understand that, then your entire realistic perspective is foundationally flawed.
“I mean, obviously.”
that this is not the worst timeline was obvious to me.
you claimed the literal opposite statement, that this was in fact the worst timeline, in the previous comment.
“But considering the two timelines we had an option to be on…”
you believe in timelines, but you believe there are only two at any specific moment?
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Hilary doesn’t steal Sanders’ nomination.
5/4 decisions go four-five.
expand your mind.
“it’s going to be very, very bad for average Americans.”
oh yeah. almost all Americans. but you know they voted for it so…
blocking the bike path for everyone else, too.
I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.
Such as?
Do you honestly think that matters now? Everything we’ve seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE being crowned king. He will not be held accountable for any of his crimes. You can take me to the bank on that one.
What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.
Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?
Being convicted of a crime is not justice if one does not end up suffering repercussions along with those convictions.
If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes. GOP still calling the shots. Trump is a useful idiot. Nothing more. His presence doesn’t matter now that he’s completed his primary objective, which was to get the GOP back in power.
It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us. I’m not entertaining timelines in which aliens invade or Big Foot runs for governor. I was talking about the two realistic timelines diverging because of the 2024 election. I didn’t think I needed to specify, but apparently I did for the contrarians out there.
Let it go. Being an edgelord isn’t necessary here.
Here is where we agree. 2016 could be chalked up to people being desperate for change and choosing to gamble on an unknown. Although to anyone that bothered to know anything about Donald Trump, he wasn’t an unknown and we knew it would be an awful mistake. And he didn’t win the popular vote, so he was forced on us by a minority. However, in 2024, we gleefully placed him back in power with a majority. This is squarely on Americans and we absolutely deserve the suffering that’s coming. People in other countries that will be affected by this don’t though.
The good news is that no one is hurt more by conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives. But I’m sure they’ll find someone else to blame once the real suffering sets in. They always do.
“I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.”
what do you think scenarios are?
“Such as?”
Just to keep it simple, literally 4 years ago when everyone assumed Trump was inevitably going to win and was crying and making their silly little defeatist memes and comments, and then Biden kicked his ass and enacted remarkably progressive legislation that changed the country.
“Do you honestly think that matters now?”
of course it does.
you don’t understand how the legal system works even at a basic level.
which you’ll need to understand before you can comprehend the number of elements at play and the legal system and how they work together in real life and not the rain clouds you’re tucking yourself under.
“Everything we’ve seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes”.
you are completely incorrect again.
he’s a 34 time convicted felon, he’s already had to pay $100 million and lost multiple court cases.
“not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE”
he literally was held accountable multiple times already and he’s still under indictment in many cases with more upcoming.
Shoot, it’ll be illegal for him to vote as soon as he’s sentenced.
you’re completely wrong and ignorant of his legal status and his past consequences.
“You can take me to the bank on that one.”
you’re bankrupt, you are already wrong on both false assumptions.
“What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.”
how?
that makes no sense.
you mean this one person was literally never elected to a second term at the exact moment in history?
I guess, but someone was going to be elected. turns out it was dumps.
“If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes”
you’re afraid, fine, but your fear doesn’t mean anything is inevitable or futile.
think about all these basic facts you’ve been wrong about just talking to one guy on the internet.
you think it didn’t matter that Hitler was the one who took control of Germany, that Napoleon was just a chance roll of the dice and anybody could have taken his place?
No, demagogues are a very specific type of people who act in a very specific way.
jd Vance would not have inspired a violent riot.
Trump specifically did.
The figurehead matters, you just lack the historical knowledge and context to see that.
you aren’t saying anything valid, you’re exhibiting anxiety and making demonstrably false assumptions.
“Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?”
Yes. again, he’s out $100 million, with 400 more on the line, he’s about to be sentenced for his felony convictions,his time is being wasted in court constantly. and more cases are coming up, wasting more of his time.
you’re lucky i like teaching.
it’s startling the amount you don’t know while still willing to repeat certain tangentially related phrases you’ve heard before.
“It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us”
again, it is illogical and absurd to believe in timelines and also believe there are only two.
expand your mind.
and seriously, try not to talk about things you have such limited knowledge about.
however cool you think empty cynical buzzwords are, they reflect poorly on you and render any points you’re trying to make completely impotent.
or at least ask in a more respectful way.
you sound like you’re pouting but desperate to learn more from me.
holding your breath until your face turns blue, but like peeking over your shoulder at me to make sure I’m watching haha.
you can just ask politely and I will explain how these things work or provide the historical context you lack.
you’re not fooling anybody pretending you know anything about these subjects by making clearly false statements.